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455 2015-11-22T09:07:12 <BW^-> bitcoind --gen=0 -printtoconsole -d /bitcoind_data -conf /bitcoin.conf
456 2015-11-22T09:07:14 <BW^-> => "There is no RPC client functionality in bitcoind anymore. Use the bitcoin-cli utility instead."
457 2015-11-22T09:07:28 <BW^-> how do you start BitcoinD nowadays??
458 2015-11-22T09:09:05 <BW^-> this is 0.11.2
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460 2015-11-22T09:09:50 <BW^-> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/bitcoind.cpp
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465 2015-11-22T09:22:52 <BW^-> if (!IsSwitchChar(argv[i][0]) && !boost::algorithm::istarts_with(argv[i], "bitcoin:")) fCommandLine = true;
466 2015-11-22T09:23:03 <BW^-> .. if (fCommandLine) { fprintf(stderr, "Error: There is no RPC client functionality in bitcoind anymore. Use the bitcoin-cli utility instead
467 2015-11-22T09:23:20 *** [Author] has quit IRC
468 2015-11-22T09:23:42 <jouke> shouldn't you use double dash everywhere?
469 2015-11-22T09:23:47 <BW^-> ahaaaa, no space between "-d" and the datadir
470 2015-11-22T09:23:57 <BW^-> jouke: what do you mean?
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472 2015-11-22T09:24:27 <BW^-> jouke: /bitcoind --printtoconsole --d /bitcoind_data --conf /bitcoin.conf => Error: There is no RPC client functionality in bitcoind anymore. Use the bitcoin-cli utility instead.
473 2015-11-22T09:24:27 <BW^-> nope
474 2015-11-22T09:24:32 <BW^-> you should just write them together
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476 2015-11-22T09:24:53 <jouke> --conf=?
477 2015-11-22T09:25:36 <jouke> I don't have bitcoind on this laptop.
478 2015-11-22T09:26:45 <BW^-> jouke: ah right, when I did "-dmydir" it didn't work - let's try
479 2015-11-22T09:27:14 <BW^-> jouke: still not! :(((((((
480 2015-11-22T09:27:23 <BW^-> jouke: /bitcoind --server=0 --printtoconsole --d=/bitcoind_data --conf=/bitcoin.conf
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483 2015-11-22T09:28:45 <BW^-> jouke: ah so, /bitcoind -server=0 -printtoconsole -datadir=/bitcoind_data -conf=/bitcoin.conf
484 2015-11-22T09:29:54 <BW^-> jouke: it's not a problem to run bitcoind without a configuration file, is it?
485 2015-11-22T09:32:01 <jouke> BW^-: I don't know what happens with server=0.
486 2015-11-22T09:32:08 <jouke> I'm just another user
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488 2015-11-22T09:40:55 <BW^-> jouke: it disables the RPC server.
489 2015-11-22T09:41:07 <BW^-> jouke: anyhow, solved now :D - thanks for giving a thought :)
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573 2015-11-22T12:17:54 <gribble> I have not seen matjjs.
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631 2015-11-22T14:35:21 <BW^-> Bitcoin Core is singlethreaded, isn't it, so why does it take 182.08% CPU? =) maybe my OS has a weird cpu meter?
632 2015-11-22T14:35:25 <BW^-> it's syncing
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634 2015-11-22T14:35:47 <sipa> BW^-: it's not single threaded
635 2015-11-22T14:36:10 <sipa> script verification in particular uses as many cores as possible
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637 2015-11-22T14:38:00 <BW^-> sipa: aha... can i force it to use 1 core only?
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639 2015-11-22T14:38:41 <BW^-> sipa: i mean, at least with the current max 8 transactions per second, it's not exactly CPU-heavy right?
640 2015-11-22T14:38:56 <BW^-> sipa: so it's basically only full sync where cpu speed really impacts things?
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642 2015-11-22T14:40:34 <sipa> BW^-: -par=1
643 2015-11-22T14:40:49 <sipa> BW^-: no, for block validation it matters too
644 2015-11-22T14:41:13 <sipa> BW^-: because a block is a sudden burst of transactions that need to be validated, and when the signature cache doesn't have them validated already, that's a problem
645 2015-11-22T14:42:19 <BW^-> sipa: you mean validation implies IO too so that's why more cores are beneficial?
646 2015-11-22T14:43:06 <sipa> BW^-: no, when a new block comes in, you want to verify it as fast as possible to it can be relayed to the network
647 2015-11-22T14:43:19 <sipa> BW^-: that's up to a few 1000 transactions you have never seen at once
648 2015-11-22T14:43:27 <sipa> BW^-: those are validated in parallel
649 2015-11-22T14:44:21 <BW^-> ah
650 2015-11-22T14:44:29 <BW^-> sipa: is there any DoS potential here, ever?
651 2015-11-22T14:44:43 <BW^-> sipa: how much CPU time are we talking , at most, on say a 1-core smartphone?
652 2015-11-22T14:44:46 <BW^-> for a block
653 2015-11-22T14:45:11 <sipa> seconds
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655 2015-11-22T14:46:00 <sipa> though the bottleneck will perhaps be looking up the outputs in the utxo set so they can be spent
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669 2015-11-22T15:18:22 <BW^-> sipa: what's BitcoinD's worstcase RAM use usecase today?
670 2015-11-22T15:18:43 <BW^-> a ton of unverified transactions that could cost infinite RAM and sink *all* bitcoin nodes that are not protected, I hope not? =)
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695 2015-11-22T16:03:01 <BW^-> what's the Absolutely Worst Case mempool size, is there any theoretical upper limit or is it infinity?
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707 2015-11-22T16:20:09 <sturles> BW^-: It is theoretically limited by the UTXO set. You can't spend each more than once, and each transaction has a maximum size.
708 2015-11-22T16:21:15 <sturles> If you run Bitcoin Core from git (not reccomended), you can specify a maximum mempool size.
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716 2015-11-22T16:40:49 <BW^-> sturles: wait, UTXO:s are more or less unlimited in amount (we're talking about billions anyhow), so that's not a big help is it
717 2015-11-22T16:41:08 <BW^-> sturles: is there any way that i could limit it in the build process? if that cap would be reached, what would happen?
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731 2015-11-22T17:09:48 <BW^-> sturles: where's the code for specifying max mempool size? i just want a very crude measure to ensure my instance doesn't go down, but instead auto-heals in some fashion at least slowly if there's a DoS
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734 2015-11-22T17:12:50 <BW^-> anything more graceful than hard crashes, hm.
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737 2015-11-22T17:17:31 <BW^-> could we say that if BitcoinD takes more than 1GB memory then the network is really compromised and we're waiting for a DoS to pass??
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823 2015-11-22T19:44:17 <sturles> BW^-: I don't have time to look up individual patches, but in current git it is a command line parameter. When the limit is reached, transactions will get evicted based on fee per KB only. Unfortunately, since it fails to take priority into account, this will evict many of the transactions which are likely to get confirmed in the next block as well.
824 2015-11-22T19:48:51 <BW^-> stures: wait, what do you mean by priority here+
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826 2015-11-22T19:54:31 <gijensen> BW^-: I'm assuming "priority = sum(input_value_in_base_units * input_age)/size_in_bytes", explained on the wiki.
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842 2015-11-22T20:19:16 <BW^-> gijensen,sturles: aha, so maybe it's relevant for me to switch over to the git head then. thanks for pointing out!
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844 2015-11-22T20:21:01 <gijensen> Anytime :)
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886 2015-11-22T21:27:27 <lorenzoasr> hello, anyone knows a bitcoin-rpc python3 library ? I've tested http://laanwj.github.io/bitcoin-python/doc/ but it doesnt seem to work and it wasnt updated in the last 2 years, thank you
887 2015-11-22T21:31:11 <petertodd> lorenzoasr: try python-bitcoinlib, https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib
888 2015-11-22T21:31:41 <lorenzoasr> thank you peter, im gonna try that
889 2015-11-22T21:32:00 <petertodd> lorenzoasr: good luck!
890 2015-11-22T21:32:54 <petertodd> lorenzoasr: bitcoin.rpc is the RPC interface; also available on pypi
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