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5 2015-12-16T00:03:49 <tyler__> What's the "official-ness" of libbitcoin and libbitcoinconsensus?
6 2015-12-16T00:04:17 <tyler__> I want to use a library for consensus code (for a port of bitcoin to another lang).
7 2015-12-16T00:04:55 <sipa> bitcoin core has distributed a library that implements part of the consensus logic (built from the same code as bitcoin core itself)
8 2015-12-16T00:05:03 <sipa> in particular, script validation
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10 2015-12-16T00:11:01 <tyler__> Is there any library that exports an API for full block verification?
11 2015-12-16T00:11:35 <tyler__> Not to be lazy, it's just that that seems the safest way to do it.
12 2015-12-16T00:12:38 <sipa> well what do you need full block validation for?
13 2015-12-16T00:13:16 <sipa> in general my advice is that whatever you need it for, don't do it, and instead connect to a full node you trust
14 2015-12-16T00:13:59 <sipa> there have been plenty of issues with library or compiler environment issues that interfere with correctness of the code
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16 2015-12-16T00:14:18 <tyler__> I want to write a full node implementation in Rust, for fun mostly.
17 2015-12-16T00:14:32 <tyler__> But one already exists, sans consensus.
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19 2015-12-16T00:14:57 <tyler__> The author doesn't recommend using his consensus code because that isn't safe.
20 2015-12-16T00:15:05 <sipa> good advice :)
21 2015-12-16T00:15:19 <tyler__> So I thought I could contribute by adding support for it to use the official consensus code.
22 2015-12-16T00:15:40 <sipa> there is work towards extending libconsensus' API to include more of full block validation
23 2015-12-16T00:15:45 <pigeons> andytoshi has some good rust bitcoin tools. i havent looked in a while rust was in really rapid development a year ago
24 2015-12-16T00:15:54 <sipa> but it's very nontrivial to do that in a 1) clean 2) safe) 3) efficient way
25 2015-12-16T00:16:28 <sipa> as it means exposing an interface to a UTXO database, for starters, and we already rely on several layers of caching to make that efficient enough
26 2015-12-16T00:16:53 <sipa> and caches have the annoying property of often breaking clean layering
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33 2015-12-16T00:23:23 <tyler__> That's a good point. This is probably a lot more than I expected. Thanks for the info.
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80 2015-12-16T02:00:09 <jl2012> jouke: you can find the orphaned blocks on blockchain.info
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82 2015-12-16T02:00:38 <sipa> only the ones they heard about
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91 2015-12-16T02:09:30 <jl2012> Since most nodes do not support CLTV it's likely they hear
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111 2015-12-16T02:20:07 <rusty> jl2012: oops, just realized your redirect-to-r/bitcoinwizards email is still in the mod queue for bitcoin-dev. I think it comes across as a bit upset (I'd rather you directly quote me, as "Rusty feels this thread is not making progress and attracting confusion" if you prefer), but I can release it as-is if you prefer.
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113 2015-12-16T02:23:50 <Lightsword> has anyone seen an orphaned v3 block yet after activation?
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116 2015-12-16T02:26:49 <jl2012> rusty, please delete it. I'll have a better reply
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156 2015-12-16T03:33:38 <rusty> jl2012: done, thanks!
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196 2015-12-16T04:22:12 <btcdrak> Hi Rusty. Do you have any thoughts about #7184?
197 2015-12-16T04:23:38 <rusty> btcdrak: no, I don't, sorry.
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232 2015-12-16T06:01:07 <moa> Is there a BIP for the 2-4-8 block expansion proposal?
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234 2015-12-16T06:03:43 <tyler__> How can I unsafely copy a box?
235 2015-12-16T06:04:03 <tyler__> I'm implementing my own Rc, sorta.
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237 2015-12-16T06:04:36 <aj> moa: no bip, i think it was just proposed via a tweet?
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242 2015-12-16T06:09:05 <moa> tweet: "2-4-8 who do we appreciate?"
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280 2015-12-16T07:20:16 <da2ce7> hello, from memory sipa was writing hardened random mixer and source for bitcoin; was that completed? if not is there publicly available code to look over?
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338 2015-12-16T09:44:47 <bung_whole> I'm still reading through, but hopefully quck question for anyone, do pooled miners get allocated staggered nonce numbers?
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366 2015-12-16T10:57:13 <BW^-> the OpenSSL dependency will be kicked out soon, right?
367 2015-12-16T10:57:14 <BW^-> in what version?
368 2015-12-16T10:57:29 <Luke-Jr> BW^-: probably 0.13 or 0.14
369 2015-12-16T10:58:18 <BW^-> aha
370 2015-12-16T10:58:25 <BW^-> how does BitcoinD depend on Berkeley DB now?
371 2015-12-16T10:58:29 <BW^-> as of 0.11.2
372 2015-12-16T10:58:39 <BW^-> luke-jr: ?
373 2015-12-16T10:58:52 <Luke-Jr> yes, for the wallet
374 2015-12-16T10:58:57 <BW^-> luke-jr: ah..
375 2015-12-16T10:59:01 <BW^-> luke-jr: but only for the wallet?
376 2015-12-16T10:59:09 <Luke-Jr> yes
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381 2015-12-16T11:15:24 <BW^-> when you do "-connect=127.0.0.1:8333" (or other port number), what's the default connect resume logics?
382 2015-12-16T11:15:37 <BW^-> I'm not sure but it seems that mine got stuck during sync with "socket receive timeout: 1201s"
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384 2015-12-16T11:16:36 <BW^-> luke-jr: any idea?
385 2015-12-16T11:17:10 <Luke-Jr> nope
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390 2015-12-16T11:24:11 <BW^-> starting with what BitcoinD version will I be able to specify the max mempool size?
391 2015-12-16T11:24:15 <BW^-> 0.12?
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394 2015-12-16T11:27:41 <Luke-Jr> BW^-: probably
395 2015-12-16T11:27:55 <BW^-> aha
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403 2015-12-16T12:03:09 <BW^-> umm.. can BitcoinD have memory fragmentation issues?
404 2015-12-16T12:03:31 <BW^-> like, you should restart it every 2 weeks for that reason?
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408 2015-12-16T12:08:08 <BW^-> luke-jr: the max mempool size, is there any patch i coudl apply to 0.11.2 already?
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410 2015-12-16T12:08:19 <Luke-Jr> BW^-: no, it's too complex
411 2015-12-16T12:08:37 <Luke-Jr> you can set a higher min fee though
412 2015-12-16T12:09:50 <BW^-> ah
413 2015-12-16T12:10:12 <BW^-> luke-jr: wait.. the minimum fee, that will be like a criteria for which TRANSACTIONS are accepted to my mempool
414 2015-12-16T12:10:44 <BW^-> luke-jr: but, it will still accept all blocks as usual?
415 2015-12-16T12:11:05 <BW^-> luke-jr: so if I set like 1000 Bitcoins min fee, i will guaranteedly have no mempool issues? :)
416 2015-12-16T12:11:28 <BW^-> luke-jr: and maybe a more seazoned choice would be like 0.0005 just to weed out crap?
417 2015-12-16T12:11:33 <BW^-> or 0.0001
418 2015-12-16T12:11:46 <Luke-Jr> BW^-: there is no options you can change that will break the consensus code
419 2015-12-16T12:12:06 <Luke-Jr> note that the fee you set, will also be used by your wallet in some cases
420 2015-12-16T12:12:47 <BW^-> aha
421 2015-12-16T12:12:57 <BW^-> luke-jr: ok so you basically confirmed - neat, thanks!
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428 2015-12-16T12:22:32 <BW^-> um.. if BitcoinD is overloaded with transactions from the network, will it stop sending blocks to its whitelisted client then?
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432 2015-12-16T12:23:58 <Luke-Jr> BW^-: it shouldn't
433 2015-12-16T12:24:17 <Luke-Jr> but if a peer it requests a block from refuses to send it in a timely manner, it might take 20 minutes to timeout
434 2015-12-16T12:24:31 <BW^-> aha - but if it thinks it needs to catch up (e.g. it's on 0.999 progress), then it won't forward blocks until it itself synced
435 2015-12-16T12:24:47 <BW^-> aha got it
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461 2015-12-16T12:59:28 <BW^-> so weird, my BitcoinD went up to 800MB heap consumption yesterday, and then just stopped - didn't accept any more connections, nothing.
462 2015-12-16T12:59:45 <BW^-> and "kill":ing caused lots of paging. weird.
463 2015-12-16T12:59:50 <BW^-> 0.11.2 on AMD64
464 2015-12-16T13:01:22 <Ylbam> ltc est tombé à 0.00801 chez btce
465 2015-12-16T13:01:26 <Ylbam> sorry
466 2015-12-16T13:02:24 <BW^-> are there any common reports like this?
467 2015-12-16T13:02:52 <sipa> BW^-: all versions before 0.12 do not have any effective memory limiting on utxo set size and memory pool
468 2015-12-16T13:02:55 <BW^-> so I should expect that BitcoinD can go down and I need to restart it every so often, and have monitoring tools plugged in to it?
469 2015-12-16T13:02:56 <BW^-> could there be memory fragmentation issues that would have made a malloc() somewhere fail?
470 2015-12-16T13:03:18 <BW^-> sipa: right - but if it runs into the ceilign, *and* my OS has a "ulimit" that would kill it if it reached 1GB,
471 2015-12-16T13:03:22 <BW^-> sipa: then it shouldn't go zombie right?
472 2015-12-16T13:03:30 <BW^-> sipa: the only thing i could think of would be that some malloc() would have returned NULL
473 2015-12-16T13:03:37 <BW^-> sipa: and that BitcoinD *NOT* would have responded properly to it!
474 2015-12-16T13:03:43 <BW^-> sipa: thus making it go into a zombie state! :O
475 2015-12-16T13:03:51 <Luke-Jr> BW^-: #bitcoin
476 2015-12-16T13:03:55 <sipa> if malloc fails, bitcoind will most definitely crash immediately
477 2015-12-16T13:03:56 <BW^-> okay
478 2015-12-16T13:04:11 <sipa> your problem sounds like your OS went thrashing
479 2015-12-16T13:04:58 <BW^-> sipa: as in paging.. right.. considering what happened when I finally "kill":ed it, I agree.
480 2015-12-16T13:05:10 <BW^-> sipa: if so, what would the "antidote" be against that happening in the future?
481 2015-12-16T13:05:47 <BW^-> sipa: for now I'll just set "-limitfreerelay=0 -minrelaytxfee=100000000", and when 0.12 is out, i'll specify a max mempool of some hundreds of MB?
482 2015-12-16T13:05:55 <sipa> yes
483 2015-12-16T13:06:20 <sipa> in 0.12 you can use -blocksonly
484 2015-12-16T13:06:59 <BW^-> sipa: or some mempool size anyhow like "I give 200MB"?
485 2015-12-16T13:07:16 <BW^-> sipa: "-blocksonly" will have same effect as "-limitfreerelay=0 -minrelaytxfee=100000000" right?
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487 2015-12-16T13:10:06 <BW^-> sipa: okay thanks for your thoughts, also Luke-jr gave some suggestiosn - i'll try it again and hope it will run perfectly indefinitely now
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491 2015-12-16T13:12:57 <BW^-> sipa: if it was thrashing, then, with 0.12 and a mempool max limit of say 25% of what I want it to use at most, so say mempool max of 200MB,
492 2015-12-16T13:13:07 <BW^-> sipa: effectively that will make thrashing *never* happen right?
493 2015-12-16T13:14:38 <BW^-> sipa: because the probability that thrashing would come up from turbulence of fragmentation that would cause more than 4x memory allocation inefficiency is simply so low that it won't happen - sounds reasonable?
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590 2015-12-16T16:01:04 <bung_whole> I'm still reading through, but hopefully quck question for anyone, do pooled miners get allocated staggered nonce numbers? (posted before didn't see an answer though)
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664 2015-12-16T18:29:54 <jaclupi> Hi, is there a way to git clone always the last stable branch (tag)? without the -b it goes for the master that I do not want..
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666 2015-12-16T18:30:22 <bung_whole> I wish I could help, but this place is a ghost-town
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670 2015-12-16T18:34:02 <WeiJunLi> which requirements is necessary to a server run bitcoin core? ram etc...
671 2015-12-16T18:34:47 <bung_whole> prob just enough hd to store the blockchain
672 2015-12-16T18:35:02 <sipa> if you run with pruning enabled you don't need to store the entire blockchain
673 2015-12-16T18:35:19 <sipa> RAM... depends on the size of the cache you choose, but 0.12 should be default run with ~1Gb of memory max
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675 2015-12-16T18:36:19 <WeiJunLi> what is the blockchain size actually?
676 2015-12-16T18:36:34 <sipa> 55 GB
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681 2015-12-16T18:43:38 <bung_whole> I'm still reading through, but hopefully quck question for anyone, do pooled miners get allocated staggered nonce numbers?
682 2015-12-16T18:43:44 <bung_whole> quick*
683 2015-12-16T18:44:12 <sipa> afaic they just get their own block templates
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685 2015-12-16T18:44:26 <kanzure> sipa: thank you for the email. reads well.
686 2015-12-16T18:44:34 <sipa> it only requires 4 Thash/s to cycle through an entire nonce range in 1ms
687 2015-12-16T18:45:00 <bung_whole> huh so why does it take much longer than that
688 2015-12-16T18:45:34 <sipa> ?
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690 2015-12-16T18:46:52 <bung_whole> the nonce range you mean like 0 - say 5,000,000,000?
691 2015-12-16T18:47:01 <sipa> the nonce is a 32-bit integer
692 2015-12-16T18:47:08 <sipa> so there are only 4 billion values for it
693 2015-12-16T18:47:10 <WeiJunLi> sipa: can you show me any server sspecification that would just run btc core just fine during 1 year at least (blockchain size is going to increase so gotta prevent)
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695 2015-12-16T18:47:25 <WeiJunLi> sipa: like an amazon server, whatever provider, just need to see its specification
696 2015-12-16T18:47:41 <sipa> WeiJunLi: no currently released version can guarantee that; i hope that 0.12 will
697 2015-12-16T18:49:09 <bung_whole> Maybe I haven't read enough but I thought finding the correct nonce was essentially finding the block hash?(and the reward)
698 2015-12-16T18:49:43 <sipa> yes
699 2015-12-16T18:49:49 <sipa> ;;difficulty
700 2015-12-16T18:49:50 <gribble> Error: "difficulty" is not a valid command.
701 2015-12-16T18:49:52 <sipa> ;;diff
702 2015-12-16T18:49:53 <gribble> 7.910238090022598E10
703 2015-12-16T18:50:21 <sipa> ;;calc 2**48/65535*7.910238090022598*10000000000
704 2015-12-16T18:50:21 <gribble> 339747323134943887360
705 2015-12-16T18:50:35 <sipa> only one in 339747323134943887360 attempts results in a valid block though
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707 2015-12-16T18:51:46 <sipa> so you need to search though (on average) 80 billion full nonce ranges before finding a block
708 2015-12-16T18:52:44 <bung_whole> ok so what is the math relationship between the nonce and the target difficulty?
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712 2015-12-16T18:53:13 <sipa> 1 difficulty = 1 in 2^48/65535 hashes is valid
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714 2015-12-16T18:53:26 <sipa> N difficulty 1 in N*2^48/65535 hashes is valid
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722 2015-12-16T18:59:00 <bung_whole> thanks I'm just trying to figure out how the nonces, coinbase, merkle root all relate to minig
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748 2015-12-16T19:29:04 <wangchun> Luke-Jr: I talked to antminer last week and we both agree that we need a new mining protocol to replace stratum
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764 2015-12-16T20:08:07 <rusty> jgarzik, kanzure, btcdrak: moderated the "$200 full node decentralisation threshold". It doesn't belong on a -dev list, and unlikely to make progress.
765 2015-12-16T20:08:18 <jgarzik> +1
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769 2015-12-16T20:23:26 <BlueMatt> wangchun: I know some people are already working on something more dense on-the-wire
770 2015-12-16T20:23:32 <BlueMatt> that sends just the info you need and nothing else
771 2015-12-16T20:23:48 <BlueMatt> and doesnt do it in fucking hex-in-json
772 2015-12-16T20:25:29 <Lightsword> wangchun, they are so horrible about updating cgminer though that Iâm kind of surprized
773 2015-12-16T20:27:33 <Lightsword> wangchun, I donât neccesarially diagree that we need a new protocol, the issue IMO is cost/benefit of upgrading tons of legacy hardware
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776 2015-12-16T20:31:40 <BlueMatt> Lightsword: meh, writing an adapter that converts new-good-protocol to stratum should be easy
777 2015-12-16T20:32:34 <Lightsword> BlueMatt I mean, just need a stratum proxy basically.
778 2015-12-16T20:33:02 <BlueMatt> yup
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784 2015-12-16T20:39:52 <wangchun> BlueMatt Lightsword: we've sent out boxes with stratum proxy ready to run to big mining operators, but most of them just seized and turn them into gaming consoles.
785 2015-12-16T20:40:21 <wangchun> Some mining farms have thousands of miners, what a waste
786 2015-12-16T20:40:24 <Lightsword> wangchun, got a posted online at all?
787 2015-12-16T20:40:28 <Lightsword> it*
788 2015-12-16T20:40:37 <wangchun> posted online?
789 2015-12-16T20:40:42 <Lightsword> like on github
790 2015-12-16T20:40:50 <Lightsword> the stratum proxy
791 2015-12-16T20:41:09 <wangchun> what you mean?
792 2015-12-16T20:41:33 <Lightsword> have you posted the source code for the stratum proxy on github or another website to download?
793 2015-12-16T20:41:54 <wangchun> Lightsword: no i haven't, it is highly customized only working for our pool
794 2015-12-16T20:42:40 <wangchun> haobtc is running it, the bandwidth requirement for them is only 40Kbps in total
795 2015-12-16T20:42:55 <wangchun> and they have like 14PH/s
796 2015-12-16T20:42:58 <Lightsword> wangchun, I mean, I can do the same thing with a stratum proxy as well :P
797 2015-12-16T20:43:15 <Lightsword> actually I could probably use less, only need a single tcp connection
798 2015-12-16T20:43:59 <wangchun> they used tangpool's proxy (like stratum proxy) in the past, but it does not work very well with the latest antminer s7, which has higher hashrate
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800 2015-12-16T20:44:33 <Lightsword> wangchun, tangpoolâs? Iâm use a variant of ckproxy myself with antminers and it works quite well
801 2015-12-16T20:44:44 <wangchun> but for most mining farm operators, they do not know how to set up a stratum proxy... you know
802 2015-12-16T20:44:52 <Lightsword> trueâ¦
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804 2015-12-16T20:45:01 <Lightsword> well at least the smaller ones
805 2015-12-16T20:45:06 <Lightsword> bigger ones usually hire someone
806 2015-12-16T20:45:56 <Lightsword> wangchun, what do you having in mind as a replacement for stratum, just a different format for the same sort ot TCP socket protocol?
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808 2015-12-16T20:46:53 <wangchun> simply change hex in json to binary could save us a lot
809 2015-12-16T20:47:07 <wangchun> most of the lag we have now comes from stratum update delay
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811 2015-12-16T20:48:01 <Lightsword> yeah, I could see that helping in China, US I donât think it would make much difference since we can scale up bandwidth a bit easier
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814 2015-12-16T20:49:11 <Lightsword> wangchun, would you have it support all the existing stratum features like redirects etc?
815 2015-12-16T20:49:21 <wangchun> I think US China the same on this matter
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817 2015-12-16T20:50:13 <wangchun> If you have 150000 long-live TCP connections and you want broadcast like 300 bytes every minute hope that 300 bytes to arrive to all of their destinations within a fraction of a second
818 2015-12-16T20:50:25 <wangchun> you'v got some problem
819 2015-12-16T20:50:40 <Lightsword> well you scan scale it up across many backend servers at least
820 2015-12-16T20:51:04 <wangchun> Lightsword: This is what we are doing right now
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823 2015-12-16T20:52:09 <Lightsword> wangchun, any idea why antpools stratum servers are so slow?
824 2015-12-16T20:52:12 <wangchun> anyway we can do it as is, at a higher unnecessary cost
825 2015-12-16T20:52:46 <Lightsword> yeah, IMO the easist way to do it may be via extension
826 2015-12-16T20:52:49 <wangchun> Lightsword: I suppose they may have too many users on each of their servers
827 2015-12-16T20:53:18 <Lightsword> or reformatting while retaining backwards copatibility
828 2015-12-16T20:53:20 <wangchun> They have 197673 active connections right now
829 2015-12-16T20:54:51 <Lightsword> yeah, thatâs quite a few :P with good bandwidth 4 gigabit servers could probably handle that easially with very good update times
830 2015-12-16T20:55:32 <wangchun> at 100Mbps each, they need 40 of them.
831 2015-12-16T20:55:37 <Lightsword> wangchun, how easy do you think it would be to have you stratum servers handle multiple stratum formats at once?
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833 2015-12-16T20:56:25 <wangchun> Unless I have been told a good reason to have multiple stratum format
834 2015-12-16T20:56:32 <wangchun> But I think it should be easy
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837 2015-12-16T20:57:07 <Lightsword> Iâm just thinking for backwards copatibility, have cgminer and the stratum server attempt to negotiate the newer protocol first then fall back
838 2015-12-16T20:58:17 <wangchun> That is easy, check whether the first byte received to be "{"
839 2015-12-16T20:58:29 <Lightsword> yep
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868 2015-12-16T21:45:45 <mr_burdell> sipa, I think your fee calculation is too simple. don't miners need to maximize fee per byte transferred over the network? not just maximize total fee per block?
869 2015-12-16T21:46:36 <sipa> mr_burdell: if they're not fine with the worst case situation it creates, they shouldn't accept the proposal
870 2015-12-16T21:47:06 <mr_burdell> I just mean with respect to the economics of how they would value fees on transactions
871 2015-12-16T21:47:11 <sipa> plus, IBLT and other improved relay mechanisms make the bytes transferred over the network in non-adverserial conditions irrelevant
872 2015-12-16T21:47:21 <mr_burdell> that's fair
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874 2015-12-16T21:48:00 <mr_burdell> my current understanding was that the opportunity cost of including a transaction in a block was roughly correlated with the size in bytes of the transaction
875 2015-12-16T21:48:40 <mr_burdell> and I don't follow how valuing the witness data at 0.25x would mean the fees would be discounted the same way
876 2015-12-16T21:49:07 <mr_burdell> since that data still needs to be transferred
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878 2015-12-16T21:49:38 <mr_burdell> so until IBLT is implemented, it makes sense that witness data would not get a fee discount
879 2015-12-16T21:49:45 <sipa> see it this way: as miners are concerned, blocks are max 4 MB with this proposal. If they're not fine with that, they shouldn't accept the proposal period (or, alternatively, full nodes shouldn't accept the proposal if they fear that 4 MB would result in unacceptable mining centralization pressure)
880 2015-12-16T21:50:11 <sipa> but mining centralization pressure is not the only cost; there is also the growing resource cost to full nodes and the centralization that results from this
881 2015-12-16T21:50:56 <sipa> and that is where the modified formula comes it: it increases capacity but without worsening several of the operation costs (UTXO operations, UTXO size, block size, historic sync bandwidth, ...)
882 2015-12-16T21:51:25 <sipa> so the assumption behind the proposal is that we are fine with 4x larger blocks in terms of relay efficiency, but not with an outright 4x capacity increase
883 2015-12-16T21:51:32 <mr_burdell> I understand the formula from a risk perspective... I'm saying that the formula may not apply to valuing transaction fees
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889 2015-12-16T22:00:17 <Luke-Jr> wangchun: maybe interested parties can form a "working group"?
890 2015-12-16T22:01:42 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: maybe the default git branch ought to be the latest stable?
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892 2015-12-16T22:03:11 <kanzure> bitcoin-dev moderation is going to be bumpy for a while. note that jgarzik is operating as a moderator.
893 2015-12-16T22:03:56 <Luke-Jr> wangchun: Lightsword: btw BFGMiner haqs stratum proxy builtin
894 2015-12-16T22:04:01 <sipa> i personally feel that a few of my last mails were off-topic... apologies for that
895 2015-12-16T22:04:12 <jgarzik> kanzure, true as a disclaimer but not true in fact - I do not think I have logged into the admin interface in weeks
896 2015-12-16T22:04:20 <jgarzik> and don't intend to
897 2015-12-16T22:04:41 <kanzure> i have no way of verifying that and i don't care
898 2015-12-16T22:06:39 <kanzure> making claims that are non-verifiable is sort of ugh; now i have to deal with an additional unverifiable factoid? that's not fair.
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900 2015-12-16T22:10:41 <gijensen> D:
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904 2015-12-16T22:27:07 <Luke-Jr> kanzure: benefit of the doubtâ¦
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907 2015-12-16T22:27:55 <kanzure> Luke-Jr: a good and useful principle. i don't care what the reality happens to be in this instance, only that i have to keep track of increasingly unverifiable details.
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915 2015-12-16T22:45:14 <AaronvanW> can someone explain to me how SW would provide for "4MB" blocks? (rather than 1.75MB)
916 2015-12-16T22:45:21 <AaronvanW> what's the math behind the number 4
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919 2015-12-16T22:47:12 <AaronvanW> (or point me to an explanation somewhere else)
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922 2015-12-16T22:49:03 <Guest45712> hey whoever runs the mailing list moderation: we're seeing BlueMatt's replies to Jameson Lopp's post but not the original posts
923 2015-12-16T22:49:06 <kanzure> a bunch of these emails are increasingly off-topic
924 2015-12-16T22:49:15 <kanzure> yes, we are moderating some of the off-topic stuff
925 2015-12-16T22:49:30 <Guest45712> how can the reply be ontopic but the original message off-topic
926 2015-12-16T22:49:35 <kanzure> BlueMatt: keep in mind some of those emails aren't getting delivered to the mailing list, so don't reply in public to everything. check with someone with access to the moderator queue.
927 2015-12-16T22:49:49 <kanzure> Guest45712: because jgarzik is an insider and has rigged things.
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929 2015-12-16T22:49:55 <Guest45712> lol rigged things
930 2015-12-16T22:49:59 <kanzure> sorry for this interruption in service please don't blame me
931 2015-12-16T22:50:07 <Guest45712> how did he rig things?
932 2015-12-16T22:50:17 <kanzure> you are asking how a moderator can rig a message to go through?
933 2015-12-16T22:50:20 <kanzure> or are you asking a different question?
934 2015-12-16T22:50:54 <Guest45712> i dont have time to play aspegers babysitter, fix ur list pls thanks
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936 2015-12-16T22:50:59 <kanzure> note that i don't mean to use "rig" in a nefarious way here.
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938 2015-12-16T22:51:20 <kanzure> haha moderating is now aspie, apparently. sigh.
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980 2015-12-16T23:54:18 <BlueMatt> kanzure: ack, though in this case I was responding to something that was on-topic
981 2015-12-16T23:54:19 <BlueMatt> so...oh well
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983 2015-12-16T23:56:32 <rusty> Yes, our moderation is statistical. I expect that to be tested sorely in the coming days.
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