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54 2015-12-18T01:40:50 <veggi3> gmaxwell left bitcoin development because of galvin not being a team player?
55 2015-12-18T01:50:57 <phantomcircuit> veggi3: less "not being a team player" more "actively attempting to make everybody else's lives hell"
56 2015-12-18T01:52:35 <sipa> off topic
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72 2015-12-18T02:29:30 <Luke-Jr> Anything I could have explained better here? https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3x55i7/pieter_wuille_deciding_consensus_rules_not_in_our/cy2ypjz?context=2
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74 2015-12-18T02:36:26 <justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: it won't make sense to them unless you prefix it with "XT is really a good idea and the core developers are evil"
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115 2015-12-18T03:57:10 <CodeShark> stop wasting time on trolls
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117 2015-12-18T03:57:26 <CodeShark> or idiots (but I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt)
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120 2015-12-18T04:00:57 <CodeShark> haters are gonna hate - the way to win isn't to try to convince them but to make sure they don't get any real power
121 2015-12-18T04:05:55 <CodeShark> explain to the crowd, not to the heckler
122 2015-12-18T04:06:39 <CodeShark> win the crowd and the crowd will take care of the heckler problem for you
123 2015-12-18T04:11:11 <Luke-Jr> CodeShark: it looked like a legit honest confusion to me, in that case
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125 2015-12-18T04:15:23 <CodeShark> it might have been - but the apparent attitude this person shows doesn't look too promising as far as time investment into trying to convince them individually
126 2015-12-18T04:15:46 <CodeShark> it would be far better to write up a good explanation and publish it somewhere where a lot of people will read it without having to dredge through mounds of trollage
127 2015-12-18T04:18:13 <midnightmagic> and he gets dogpile downvoted anyway
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131 2015-12-18T04:21:27 <CodeShark> anyhow, this isn't #bitcoin-dev...it's #bitcoin-pr...so I'll leave it at that
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135 2015-12-18T04:37:57 <jl2012> sipa: do you have a BIP draft for segwit? If no, I'm interested to draft one
136 2015-12-18T04:38:17 <CodeShark> I started working on one
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150 2015-12-18T05:06:29 <jl2012> In the design of segwit, should be follow Satoshi to use double SHA256 everywhere, or just single SHA256 is enough? What is difference in performance?
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157 2015-12-18T05:17:16 <CodeShark> I don't think sha256 is a bottleneck anywhere except in PoW
158 2015-12-18T05:18:35 <CodeShark> double sha256 is less than twice the number of operations for single sha256 if implemented optimally...but I think the main concern here is security, not performance
159 2015-12-18T05:18:53 <CodeShark> and secondarily, consistency and ease of documentation
160 2015-12-18T05:21:20 <Luke-Jr> double sha256 is less than twice the number of operations for single sha256 if implemented optimally⦠<-- is it?
161 2015-12-18T05:21:37 <Luke-Jr> for mining, yes, but only because you're repeating the same hash over and over..
162 2015-12-18T05:22:02 <CodeShark> in any case, I don't think it really matters here
163 2015-12-18T05:22:14 <sipa> Luke-Jr: for any message over 56 bytes, yes
164 2015-12-18T05:22:35 <sipa> as the second hash application only needs one run of the compression function
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166 2015-12-18T05:28:08 <Luke-Jr> oh, that's a point
167 2015-12-18T05:30:19 <CodeShark> perhaps single sha256 is slightly more susceptible to collision attacks (albeit still astronomically difficult)
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192 2015-12-18T06:17:02 <jl2012> for the v1 witness programme (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011962.html), should use dSHA256 as people may want to keep the money untouched for years
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203 2015-12-18T06:44:43 <arioBarzan> anyone have used CLTV on mainchain so far?
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235 2015-12-18T07:57:11 <jl2012> arioBarzan: c974c3dc7762b4f021e74a699339fbeec72cfe6f271a0e4578359c6366f84e23
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246 2015-12-18T08:18:36 <jl2012> is the CastToBool function in interpreter.cpp determines whether a value is true or false?
247 2015-12-18T08:20:29 <jl2012> so all the followings are false? empty string, 0x00, 0x0000, 0x80, 0x0080, 0x000080, right?
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279 2015-12-18T09:19:52 <CodeShark> it sure looks that way, jl2012. according to the implementation, as long as all the bytes before the last one are 0x00 and the last one is either 0x00 or 0x80 it should return false
280 2015-12-18T09:21:40 <CodeShark> why are we not using two's complement?
281 2015-12-18T09:24:05 <jl2012> I don't really know C++ but I'm trying to read sipa 's segwit code. If the scriptPubKey is a single push of 0x0000, it is a valid version 0 witness program, but it is an invalid script since the scriprtSig must be empty
282 2015-12-18T09:25:07 <jl2012> unless there is an additional check for the script with original semantic, it becomes a hardfork
283 2015-12-18T09:25:51 <CodeShark> can you link to the source file, jl2012?
284 2015-12-18T09:26:07 <jl2012> https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/de67f6071fb376172c63a999e39760ff023e74a8
285 2015-12-18T09:26:46 <benjyz1> how reliable is metadata on the basis of op_return ?
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287 2015-12-18T09:27:11 <benjyz1> as far as I'm aware there is no standard for ColoredCoins
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290 2015-12-18T09:29:00 <CodeShark> jl2012: you mean if the scriptSig is a single push of 0x0000?
291 2015-12-18T09:29:08 <CodeShark> or if the redeemscript, rather
292 2015-12-18T09:29:08 <jl2012> yes
293 2015-12-18T09:29:16 <jl2012> either
294 2015-12-18T09:29:31 <jl2012> i think it's just the same problem
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298 2015-12-18T09:31:25 <jl2012> either a scriptPubKey of a single push of 0x0000, or a P2SH redeemscript of a single push of 0x0000
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303 2015-12-18T09:32:50 <jl2012> oh wait...
304 2015-12-18T09:33:36 <jl2012> 0x0000 as witness program is also unspendable
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308 2015-12-18T09:35:55 <jl2012> ok, false alarm. If the witness program is any form of 0, it must also be provably unspendable
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448 2015-12-18T15:02:16 <dif3> hi
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453 2015-12-18T15:20:52 <Lightsword> heh, someone mined a v3 block https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/c7ca6bdd698ac0e7a50ead5ad38391eaf461a387280c61bd34dc903f41468932
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457 2015-12-18T15:25:31 <arubi> tagged by "myBTCcoin Pool", if blocktrail isn't wrong about that..
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459 2015-12-18T15:31:39 <arubi> the statistics on their website say they mined that v3 block.
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465 2015-12-18T15:47:16 <Lightsword> arubi, yeah should be right, Iâve actually been tagging most pools myself by decoding generation transactions from stratum
466 2015-12-18T15:48:18 <arubi> sounds useful
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479 2015-12-18T16:08:05 <benjyzz> so my critical post about SW was deleted. is this the new standard?
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485 2015-12-18T16:10:00 <midnightmagic> whine elsewhere.
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487 2015-12-18T16:10:16 <benjyzz> ...
488 2015-12-18T16:10:39 <benjyzz> so censorship is basically accepted in this community now. what a shame
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490 2015-12-18T16:13:27 <midnightmagic> you want to a platform where you can whine, go make one yourself.
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492 2015-12-18T16:14:17 <midnightmagic> certainly, this channel is not it.
493 2015-12-18T16:14:24 <benjyzz> who are you?
494 2015-12-18T16:14:56 <midnightmagic> I'm the guy who's tired of walking on eggshells because someone like you thinks he's entitled to everyone holding the ladder to the soapbox for him.
495 2015-12-18T16:15:02 <benjyzz> ^^
496 2015-12-18T16:15:13 <benjyzz> no, just you're just an ass
497 2015-12-18T16:15:59 <instagibbs> midnightmagic, no need to feed him
498 2015-12-18T16:16:04 <instagibbs> he'll eventually get tired
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502 2015-12-18T16:16:29 <instagibbs> eh good enough
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658 2015-12-18T20:30:00 <kanzure> random throw-away proposal: since nobody seems to move their discussion to bitcoin-discuss mailing list, what about a phase-in period where emails get rejected if they do not cc both bitcoin-dev and bitcoin-discuss. then after a few weeks we will just blatantly reject the stuff still going to bitcoin-dev.
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686 2015-12-18T21:22:29 <jl2012> kanzure: moving to -discuss is just like moving to Litecoin when the Bitcoin blockchain is full. It doesn't solve the problem
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688 2015-12-18T21:23:05 <sipa> agree
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694 2015-12-18T21:30:37 <kanzure> jl2012: could you be more specific?
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697 2015-12-18T21:30:56 <kanzure> email mailing list topicality is not at all like transaction capacity.....
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703 2015-12-18T21:43:04 <harding> From various bad movies, I'm given to understand that the mafia has a system where new members are added my invitation from current members---but if you invite someone, you're also responsible for them and you share in any punishments applied to them. Could the list be run on that basic model? Posting by invitation only, and if you invite someone and they get banned, you get banned too (at least for a time)?
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