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23 2015-12-23T01:05:22 <btcdrak> Capacity increase FAQ https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases-faq
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50 2015-12-23T01:59:57 <brg444> to be clear, how much capacity increase does a node that does not upgrade to SW gets?
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64 2015-12-23T02:16:38 <instagibbs> brg444, their effective feerate will stay the same, all else held equal
65 2015-12-23T02:16:49 <instagibbs> SW transactions get "discount"
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67 2015-12-23T02:18:35 <brg444> mmm I guess my question is how much regular transactions can fit in a block? FAQ says about 1.6 right?
68 2015-12-23T02:18:44 <brg444> mb
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70 2015-12-23T02:21:16 <brg444> nvm
71 2015-12-23T02:21:20 <brg444> got it
72 2015-12-23T02:21:26 <brg444> thx
73 2015-12-23T02:22:14 <instagibbs> all "regular" would be 1mb still
74 2015-12-23T02:22:15 <instagibbs> yeah
75 2015-12-23T02:22:27 <instagibbs> stuffing the signatures elsewhere gives discount
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77 2015-12-23T02:25:16 <brg444> right
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102 2015-12-23T03:30:02 <maaku> instagibbs: actually from their perspective SW transactions pay a premium
103 2015-12-23T03:30:29 <maaku> (from the perspective of a non-upgraded node that doesn't see the witness)
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292 2015-12-23T12:08:24 <Quent> hey
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294 2015-12-23T12:09:15 <Quent> I'm wondering what you guys think of this approach: http://www.bitcoinunlimited.info/software - that is taking the blocksize limit out of the consensus layer to the messaging layer
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310 2015-12-23T12:44:39 <Luke-Jr> Quent: it's insanity
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312 2015-12-23T12:45:21 <Luke-Jr> Quent: in part because it is *necessarily* a consensus rule. failure to enforce it just leads to lack of consensus.
313 2015-12-23T12:45:45 <haakonn> as i heard someone say: "let them find out on their own"
314 2015-12-23T12:45:50 <Luke-Jr> if the limit is implemented in the "messaging layer", that just means the messaging layer is now part of the consensus rules
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318 2015-12-23T12:52:14 <Quent> Luke-Jr, wouldn't a consensus naturally form by individual nodes choosing the blocksize themselves though?
319 2015-12-23T12:52:58 <Quent> anyway, I'll recommend they post about it to the mailing list so that it can properly be discussed I guess...
320 2015-12-23T12:53:41 <Luke-Jr> Quent: only if they all chose the same size..
321 2015-12-23T12:55:51 <Quent> the implementation is somewhat complex I think in allowing consensus to form through buffers as in + or -5mb is acceptable from 8mb or whatever, but maybe I asked prematurely as I am not sure if there is any full proper documentation yet so as I said I'll ask them to provide the details in the mailing list so that it can be properly discussed
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413 2015-12-23T16:21:53 <jtimon> Quent: Luke-Jr a consensus on the block size isn't strictly necessary, it could be a local policy restriction only. But then it wouldn't have any effect on limiting mining centralization (or full node centralization)
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415 2015-12-23T16:22:33 <jtimon> disclaimer: I haven't read the paper
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423 2015-12-23T16:29:43 <Quent> I don't think the paper is out yet jtimon
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426 2015-12-23T16:42:56 <jtimon> I mean, I didn't read the link, just the conversation here
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534 2015-12-23T19:43:15 <Eliel_> Luke-Jr: there's no need for block size consensus for old blocks, only new blocks. Perhaps it'd be possible to make the block size limit soft in that it only applies to blocks that don't have X continuation blocks yet. That'd allow increasing the size without completely breaking old nodes.
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542 2015-12-23T19:54:43 <Prattler> what's the ETA for jgarzik's "BIP-draft: BIP 102 variant w/ small steps" getting a BIP number?
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558 2015-12-23T20:29:29 <Quent> Prattler, isn't that BIP as good as dead with the recent proclamation?
559 2015-12-23T20:29:48 <Prattler> Quent, what proclamation?
560 2015-12-23T20:30:05 <Quent> not sure why wumpus is even keeping it open to be honest, you can't sign "the road map" on one hand and keep that bip open on the other :)
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562 2015-12-23T20:30:32 <Prattler> ah right right...
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564 2015-12-23T20:31:14 <brg444> What's wrong with the BIP again?
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581 2015-12-23T21:19:17 <warren> There's nothing wrong with assigning BIP numbers. It's better than folks choosing their own numbers.
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