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37 2016-01-10T01:49:18 <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: "Merge the pull request when the author is ready (allowing some time for further peer review)."
38 2016-01-10T01:49:30 <btcdrak> in BIP-0001
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61 2016-01-10T02:20:42 <lorenzoasr> i'm looking for infos about priority rules in bitcoind 0.11
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64 2016-01-10T02:20:59 <lorenzoasr> i really appreciate if someone could link some docs
65 2016-01-10T02:22:20 <lorenzoasr> my node reply -1 to all "estimatepriority" requests, for nblocks in 0...n
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85 2016-01-10T02:46:10 <lorenzoasr> anyone alive ?
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87 2016-01-10T02:48:03 <sipa> nope, sorry
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103 2016-01-10T03:17:36 <roconnor> hi sipa.
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108 2016-01-10T03:29:27 <Luke-Jr> roconnor: !
109 2016-01-10T03:31:35 <roconnor> hi Luke-Jr.
110 2016-01-10T03:33:50 <Luke-Jr> ltns
111 2016-01-10T03:34:52 <sipa> ohai
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568 2016-01-10T17:52:27 <orphanblock> is there a script available that can estimate # of additional transactions that would fit in an existing block when seg wit is deployed?
569 2016-01-10T17:53:47 <orphanblock> I mean run something against real blocks. We could do this for each new block and have it visible on site somewhere as a reference.
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578 2016-01-10T18:16:27 <NicolasDorier> orphanblock: it depends on the adoption of segwit. If segwit is adopted at 100% and we assume 280 bytes per wit tx, then you have around 3657 transaction per block
579 2016-01-10T18:16:51 <NicolasDorier> if it is at 0% and we assume 400 bytes per normal tx, you have around 2560.
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581 2016-01-10T18:22:27 <NicolasDorier> basically witness data is around 30% of tx size
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583 2016-01-10T18:25:04 <orphanblock> Right, so what I'm looking for is a script that would take an existing block and apply seg wit rules to it, to come up with how many more transactions (of the average type in this block) could fit into this block.
584 2016-01-10T18:25:25 <orphanblock> So I want to apply something to real blocks.
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586 2016-01-10T18:25:41 <orphanblock> Because they are mix of p2sh etc. So we need real data.
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592 2016-01-10T18:32:41 <NicolasDorier> there is no exact formula, but for example I took 392690
593 2016-01-10T18:32:49 <NicolasDorier> and stripped all the scriptSig data
594 2016-01-10T18:33:07 <NicolasDorier> it make a 749059 bytes block
595 2016-01-10T18:33:15 <NicolasDorier> to 331126
596 2016-01-10T18:33:49 <NicolasDorier> for 1288 transaction
597 2016-01-10T18:34:16 <orphanblock> right but then you have to add back: .25*sigdata + I think 33 bytes per output (could be wrong about that).
598 2016-01-10T18:34:54 <NicolasDorier> the problem is that there is no exact formula, even right now you can't know exactly how much transaction can fit in a block
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601 2016-01-10T18:36:13 <NicolasDorier> from my data you can say one tx is in average 581 bytes while a segwit one is 257
602 2016-01-10T18:36:36 <NicolasDorier> it makes 4000 tx in a block
603 2016-01-10T18:36:47 <NicolasDorier> I think this is good estimate if 100% adoption
604 2016-01-10T18:36:52 <orphanblock> I don't know what you mean by "exact formula". I think we know everything that is needed to calculate
605 2016-01-10T18:37:01 <NicolasDorier> you can't calculate
606 2016-01-10T18:37:04 <NicolasDorier> there is no formula
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609 2016-01-10T18:37:26 <NicolasDorier> even now, you don't have formula to know how much transaction in a block
610 2016-01-10T18:37:34 <NicolasDorier> it depends on transactions people submit
611 2016-01-10T18:37:47 <orphanblock> I want to apply a script to actual blocks.
612 2016-01-10T18:37:55 <NicolasDorier> this is what I did
613 2016-01-10T18:37:58 <orphanblock> Like what you did but more detailed.
614 2016-01-10T18:38:22 <NicolasDorier> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mDcoyPFY/
615 2016-01-10T18:38:28 <orphanblock> You didn't add back the .25*sig data, and also did you strip out the sig data properly based on p2sh vs p2pkh?
616 2016-01-10T18:38:45 <NicolasDorier> I stripped all sig data
617 2016-01-10T18:39:16 <NicolasDorier> if segwit works is fully adopted, there is no scriptsig anymore so I stripped everything
618 2016-01-10T18:40:41 <NicolasDorier> Here, https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xDOnLhdu/
619 2016-01-10T18:40:56 <NicolasDorier> no... one sec
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621 2016-01-10T18:41:26 <orphanblock> Ok, so maybe my understanding of the latest spec is not up to speed. currently for p2pkh outputs isn't the input (spending that) like this: <sig> <public_key> and in Seg Wit just: <public_key>? Or does that get stripped as well?
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623 2016-01-10T18:43:01 <NicolasDorier> Here if you want a formula:
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625 2016-01-10T18:43:05 <NicolasDorier> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0bizvHVs/
626 2016-01-10T18:43:37 <NicolasDorier> no, in segwit, except if you wrap segwit into a P2SH, which will not happen once fully adopted, you have 0 bytes scriptsig
627 2016-01-10T18:43:52 <NicolasDorier> everythign is in the witness
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629 2016-01-10T18:46:51 <NicolasDorier> so based on my data, scriptSig makes up 55% of the transaction size.
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631 2016-01-10T18:49:51 <orphanblock> Ok, thanks. So we would just have to add back .25*sigdata and then to see available space in block. I'll see what I can do with the script you posted. Assuming that QBitNinjaClient is available on web.
632 2016-01-10T18:50:02 <NicolasDorier> well, my code is not exact in fact... if there is 100% of witnesses tx the full 1MB core size can't be filled... need better formula, will do it tomorrow :p
633 2016-01-10T18:50:15 <NicolasDorier> yes it is, it is in C#
634 2016-01-10T18:50:18 <NicolasDorier> use NBitcoin and QBitNinja nuget package
635 2016-01-10T18:50:27 <NicolasDorier> you can check out https://blockchainprogramming.azurewebsites.net/
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637 2016-01-10T18:50:47 <NicolasDorier> maybe you need some base in c# though if you want to play with it.
638 2016-01-10T18:51:59 <orphanblock> ok, thx, not a c# fan but I'll look.
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641 2016-01-10T18:53:16 <NicolasDorier> you can code on xamarin or mono develop if you are on linux, NBitcoin and QBitNinja should work fine there
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728 2016-01-10T21:37:38 <jayd3e> so I'm trying to run a little test of the protocol, by attempting to craft a ping message to a running full node(I'm using one of the nodes from the core client)
729 2016-01-10T21:37:52 <jayd3e> I've successfully crafted the ping message I'm pretty sure, but I'm not seeing a pong pop up in wireshark
730 2016-01-10T21:38:15 <sipa> what protocol version are you using?
731 2016-01-10T21:38:26 <sipa> are you including a nonce after the ping?
732 2016-01-10T21:38:27 <jayd3e> is this b/c I'm bypassing the step where the full node accepts me as a valid peer? Or should I just be able to send a ping to any node and get back a pong
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734 2016-01-10T21:39:03 <jayd3e> sipa: I'm not specifying a version of the protocol anywhere, using this reference https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation
735 2016-01-10T21:39:35 <jayd3e> sipa: and yup, from what I can see the nonce is a part of the ping message overall, so I'm including a nonce IN the ping message and not "after" necessarily
736 2016-01-10T21:40:11 <sipa> right
737 2016-01-10T21:40:21 <sipa> are you sending the version/verack messages?
738 2016-01-10T21:40:33 <sipa> they negotiate the protcol version used
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740 2016-01-10T21:40:46 <sipa> the default protocol you start off with doesn't have pong
741 2016-01-10T21:41:25 <jayd3e> sipa: I'm not. So I take it that I can't send a ping message to a full node until I've send those messages, negotiated the protocol version, which will register me as a peer on the full node
742 2016-01-10T21:42:00 <jayd3e> sipa: oh gotcha, so before nodes would just wait for the socket to fail I'm assuming?
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745 2016-01-10T21:45:24 <sipa> jayd3e: you must negotiate a version; all messages are ignored before that point
746 2016-01-10T21:45:38 <jayd3e> kk gotcha
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749 2016-01-10T21:48:43 <phantomcircuit> jayd3e, you cant send *anything* to a node before receiving a verack
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751 2016-01-10T21:49:48 <belcher> speaking of the protocol, how do spv wallets like multibit find their tx history ? so like given a bunch of addresses, how do you find your UTXOs and spent txes
752 2016-01-10T21:50:04 <jayd3e> phantomcircuit: awesome, thanks, will code that into the process
753 2016-01-10T21:50:28 <sipa> belcher: bip37, unfortunatrly
754 2016-01-10T21:50:34 <phantomcircuit> belcher, poorly
755 2016-01-10T21:50:45 <belcher> ah, bloom filters
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757 2016-01-10T21:50:54 <phantomcircuit> a better design was proposed in -wizards a while ago
758 2016-01-10T21:51:03 <belcher> i read the spec, i didnt realise it could get history rather than just new incoming blocks
759 2016-01-10T21:51:32 <phantomcircuit> you calculate a bloom filter for each block and then spv clients download the bloom filter (or series of increasingly specific bloom filters)
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761 2016-01-10T21:51:54 <phantomcircuit> belcher, getdata {something}_MERKLE_BLOCK
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763 2016-01-10T21:52:10 <phantomcircuit> belcher, it's unfortunately an extremely expensive service for nodes to provide
764 2016-01-10T21:52:15 <belcher> and then do this for every block from genesis until now ?
765 2016-01-10T21:52:17 <phantomcircuit> so it's going by bye
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768 2016-01-10T21:53:27 <belcher> yeah thats a bit like a full node sync'ing, except it doesnt download the entire blockchain but a subset
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775 2016-01-10T21:55:20 <phantomcircuit> belcher, yes except the amount of work required is asymetric
776 2016-01-10T21:55:44 <phantomcircuit> the client can set a very specific filter and process very little data while the node has to process everything
777 2016-01-10T21:56:13 <belcher> the use case im thinking of is an 'spv client' that only connects to a node you know
778 2016-01-10T21:56:30 <belcher> for example a wallet on your tails OS that connects to your node on a raspberry pi
779 2016-01-10T21:56:38 <phantomcircuit> belcher, the bloom filters of increasing specificity are still better though since they can be precalculated
780 2016-01-10T21:56:51 <phantomcircuit> bip37 was a mistake
781 2016-01-10T21:56:54 <phantomcircuit> but such is life
782 2016-01-10T21:57:20 <belcher> that must mean multibit actually takes a long time to sync, unlike electrum which sync's straight away
783 2016-01-10T21:57:43 <phantomcircuit> belcher, iirc multibit only runs the sync from the time of the first generated key
784 2016-01-10T21:57:47 <phantomcircuit> so it's pretty fast
785 2016-01-10T21:57:51 <belcher> ah
786 2016-01-10T21:58:04 <belcher> so the recovery mnemonic is the HD seed plus date
787 2016-01-10T21:58:08 <belcher> yes thats good
788 2016-01-10T21:58:09 <phantomcircuit> bbl
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812 2016-01-10T22:36:32 <BlueMatt> anyone here have any interest in running the relay network? I have no interest in maintaining it anymore
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824 2016-01-10T22:57:30 <PRab> BlueMatt: How much bandwidth does it end up using?
825 2016-01-10T22:57:52 <BlueMatt> nothing significant
826 2016-01-10T22:58:36 <PRab> Do people get grumpy if it has unplanned downtime?
827 2016-01-10T22:59:12 <nkuttler> BlueMatt: what kind of maintenance is necessary?
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829 2016-01-10T23:00:54 <BlueMatt> PRab: if it goes to long...but mostly people dont notice if things go down
830 2016-01-10T23:01:03 <BlueMatt> nkuttler: not much...C++ development, mostly
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833 2016-01-10T23:01:34 <nkuttler> oh, so the codebase and the infrastructure, i see
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835 2016-01-10T23:02:28 <PRab> Oh... do you me running the relay network as in running the software, or as in maintaining/updating the codebase?
836 2016-01-10T23:02:51 <BlueMatt> both
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838 2016-01-10T23:03:37 <PRab> I would be willing to run it on some very basic hardware (pine64a/raspberri pi 2) on a comcast connection, but really don't have the time/commitment to go for more than that.
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840 2016-01-10T23:04:20 <PRab> Right now I do that with the tahoe-lafs test grid introducer and using get ~95% uptime.
841 2016-01-10T23:04:33 <BlueMatt> ehhhhh, its not a comcast/decentralized thing....its a very-deliberate-selection-of-vpses/centralized thing
842 2016-01-10T23:04:35 <nkuttler> i have some experience with config management, automated deployments etc, but know basically zero C. if the infrastructure is paid for i could see if i can help
843 2016-01-10T23:04:36 <PRab> /s/using/usually
844 2016-01-10T23:05:07 <PRab> Gotcha. Sorry then I think I'm out.
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872 2016-01-10T23:34:40 <tachys> Is there an authoritative source anywhere for BIP 9 and its proposed implementation?
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875 2016-01-10T23:36:22 <sipa> tachys: BIP9 is in the bips repository
876 2016-01-10T23:36:31 <sipa> there are two unfinished implementations
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880 2016-01-10T23:38:50 <tachys> sipa: ah thanks, I was looking at an outdated bip source at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals
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