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 79 2016-01-11T02:29:28  <jayd3e> how does the client know when a message ends over the wire and another begins?
 80 2016-01-11T02:29:36  <jayd3e> my version/ping messages are getting intermixed
 81 2016-01-11T02:29:42  <sipa> messages have a length field
 82 2016-01-11T02:30:12  <jcorgan> and the next thing you should receive after the length bytes are consumed is another message header
 83 2016-01-11T02:30:31  <jayd3e> kk so I have something wrong
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 86 2016-01-11T02:33:40  <dgenr8> since I've never seen it mentioned before, does anyone else see a major drawback of block-level bloom filters?
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 88 2016-01-11T02:36:33  <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, can you specify what you mean exactly?
 89 2016-01-11T02:37:26  <dgenr8> the obvious.  client now sees no transaction until it is included in a block
 90 2016-01-11T02:38:06  <sipa> you can still use the bloom approach for lone transactions, as the assymetry argument doesn't apply there
 91 2016-01-11T02:38:19  <sipa> though it has the same privacy problem
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 96 2016-01-11T02:47:12  <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, you just treat the entire mempool as a giant bloom filter
 97 2016-01-11T02:47:15  <phantomcircuit> tada!
 98 2016-01-11T02:47:25  <phantomcircuit> er a giant block
 99 2016-01-11T02:47:28  <phantomcircuit> *word*
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101 2016-01-11T02:49:22  <dgenr8> i perceive that you recognize the infeasibility of that idea
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108 2016-01-11T03:07:16  <jayd3e> so I've succeeded in sending a "version" message over the wire to a full node.  In wireshark, it's recognized as the "bitcoin" protocol
109 2016-01-11T03:07:51  <jayd3e> however, I'm not getting a verack back
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112 2016-01-11T03:17:35  <jcorgan> if you can send the msg to a local bitcoin node you setup, there may be some information in that nodes debug log that would help
113 2016-01-11T03:19:38  <jayd3e> nice
114 2016-01-11T03:19:41  <jayd3e> will do that
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119 2016-01-11T03:33:57  <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, amusingly no that would actually more or less work as long as you setup relaying of deltas to the bloom filter
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123 2016-01-11T03:42:41  <jayd3e> jcorgan: I got this https://gist.github.com/jayd3e/c6eaad593b3cc5b7f5e1
124 2016-01-11T03:42:46  <jayd3e> in the debug
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128 2016-01-11T03:47:31  <dgenr8> kk. you send a packet per tx and call that a win versus a call to .contains() that returns false virtually every time
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164 2016-01-11T05:14:04  <Luke-Jr> hm, the new CTxMemPoolEntry priority calculation is actually more broken than I thought
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189 2016-01-11T06:02:48  <btcdrak> Luke-Jr: explain
190 2016-01-11T06:04:04  <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: it's an off-by-one because it uses the current tip's height rather than the next one
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192 2016-01-11T06:04:46  <Luke-Jr> so not a complete disaster, but would mean priority-mined transactions wait an additional block
193 2016-01-11T06:05:19  <Luke-Jr> I'll probably just throw the fix (and rpc test) on #7149
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203 2016-01-11T06:47:55  <Lightsword> Does it look like anyone is going to step up to maintain the relay network codebase or an alternative since BlueMatt is no longer maintaining it? If it shuts down without a viable replacement mining decentralization could be seriously damaged as it would be very difficult for smaller pools to compete. I would be willing to run the server infrastructure if needed but maintaining the codebase is a different matter that is currently beyond my
204 2016-01-11T06:47:55  <Lightsword> capabilities.
205 2016-01-11T06:51:45  <Luke-Jr> ._.
206 2016-01-11T06:52:00  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: the fact that the relay network is relied on means mining decentralisation is *already* seriously damaged
207 2016-01-11T06:52:13  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, I don’t disagree
208 2016-01-11T06:52:23  <Luke-Jr> I didn't ask BlueMatt, but I suspect that's part of why he no longer wishes to maintain it..
209 2016-01-11T06:52:44  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, I don’t know what other options we have in the near term though
210 2016-01-11T06:53:40  <Lightsword> I think right now relay network is the only way blocks are getting through the GFW in any reasonable amount of time
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212 2016-01-11T06:55:09  <Lightsword> I’m worried that even the increase from SegWit would be too much to handle without relay network.
213 2016-01-11T06:55:26  <Luke-Jr> well, that much is obvious
214 2016-01-11T06:55:31  <Luke-Jr> we can't even hit 1 MB without it IMO
215 2016-01-11T06:55:49  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, what would you suggest then?
216 2016-01-11T06:56:08  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: getting miners to stop making big blocks
217 2016-01-11T06:56:22  <Luke-Jr> blockmaxsize=500000
218 2016-01-11T06:56:48  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, that doesn’t sound likely….and the Chinese pools don’t care because they will just mine on headers
219 2016-01-11T06:57:12  <Luke-Jr> well, maybe Bitcoin won't survive 2016. we'll see I guess.
220 2016-01-11T06:57:58  <Luke-Jr> another possibility is that it becomes a China-only system
221 2016-01-11T06:58:19  <Luke-Jr> at least for mining
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224 2016-01-11T07:02:06  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, that’s not good….we need some sort of solution here, the chinese pools aren’t intentionally hurting other pools but they are responding to political pressure to mine full blocks and I don’t see that changing anytime soon
225 2016-01-11T07:02:40  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: unfortunately, need of a solution does not give rise to actually having a solution :/
226 2016-01-11T07:03:07  <Luke-Jr> I mean, 0.12 will hopefully make serious improvements in CPU time
227 2016-01-11T07:03:12  <Luke-Jr> but I don't know if that will be enough
228 2016-01-11T07:03:49  <Lightsword> CPU is already a small source of delay from my profiling, the GFW is the largest source of delay
229 2016-01-11T07:04:01  <Luke-Jr> given unlimited dev time, we could experiment with UDP block relay to cross GFW
230 2016-01-11T07:04:12  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: even over the p2p network?
231 2016-01-11T07:04:31  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, especially over the p2p network from what I can tell
232 2016-01-11T07:05:15  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: get Bitmain to put one of their devs to work on this? :P
233 2016-01-11T07:06:06  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, do you want all pool nodes to get hacked from a vulnerability? :P
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235 2016-01-11T07:06:41  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, anyways I think we need to solve this before SegWit is deployed
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237 2016-01-11T07:07:38  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: as long as they follow Core's peer review process, I doubt they can get a vuln in accidentally
238 2016-01-11T07:08:07  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: what if segwit is deployed with a soft-limit of 1 MB?
239 2016-01-11T07:08:23  <Luke-Jr> eg, reject blockmaxsize >1000000 in the software, but not as a consensus rule
240 2016-01-11T07:08:51  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, if it’s not a consensus rule the pools will very likely override it, they already do with the soft blocksize limit
241 2016-01-11T07:09:04  <Luke-Jr> :/
242 2016-01-11T07:09:14  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, I don’t think bitmain knows what peer review is....
243 2016-01-11T07:09:26  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: what if the block relay network censors blocks >1MB? :P
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245 2016-01-11T07:09:49  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, won’t help, because the chinese pools will just mine on headers
246 2016-01-11T07:09:54  <Luke-Jr> :|
247 2016-01-11T07:10:34  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, it’s not the Chinese pools that benefit from relay network it is everyone else
248 2016-01-11T07:10:52  <Lightsword> the Chinese pools are being nice though and running it so as not to hurt other pools
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251 2016-01-11T07:16:49  <CodeShark> the "let's raise the block size limit" meme is political at this point, unfortunately
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253 2016-01-11T07:17:56  <CodeShark> on purely technical grounds I wouldn't see any rush to raise it...but certain people have been making a stink about it which has completely turned priorities upside down
254 2016-01-11T07:18:15  <CodeShark> This is the sad reality
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256 2016-01-11T07:18:49  <Lightsword> CodeShark, I agree, at this point we need something to hold mining decentralization together until we have better options
257 2016-01-11T07:19:10  <CodeShark> Had we been focusing on actual improvements to bitcoin we might now be in a position where it's safe to raise the limit
258 2016-01-11T07:19:14  <Lightsword> relay network is what we have right now but if it’s going to be shut down before SegWit we are IMO screwed
259 2016-01-11T07:19:28  <aj> Lightsword: "hold decentralisation together" is an impressively mixed metaphor :)
260 2016-01-11T07:19:29  <CodeShark> Segwit is one such improvement
261 2016-01-11T07:19:41  <Luke-Jr> aj: lol
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263 2016-01-11T07:19:51  <CodeShark> :)
264 2016-01-11T07:19:57  <Lightsword> aj, yeah, it’s the only thing enabling smaller pools to be viable though
265 2016-01-11T07:22:14  <CodeShark> Then we need someone to take over the relay network
266 2016-01-11T07:23:09  <Luke-Jr> tempted to suggest we find someone who can be expected to abuse it to censor illegal activity or something that encourages obsoleting it ;)
267 2016-01-11T07:23:23  <Lightsword> CodeShark, I agree, I would if my c++ skills were up to it but the best I can offer is infrastructure operations
268 2016-01-11T07:23:33  <Luke-Jr> right now, people apparently don't believe it's possible
269 2016-01-11T07:23:41  <Luke-Jr> C++? isn't it Java?
270 2016-01-11T07:23:53  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, it hasn’t been java for ages
271 2016-01-11T07:24:01  <Luke-Jr> the server end?
272 2016-01-11T07:24:03  <Lightsword> both
273 2016-01-11T07:24:09  <Lightsword> it’s all c++ now
274 2016-01-11T07:24:32  <Lightsword> https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/RelayNode/tree/master/c%2B%2B
275 2016-01-11T07:24:36  <Luke-Jr> does it actually need any code changes?
276 2016-01-11T07:24:49  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, I think it does for SegWit
277 2016-01-11T07:24:54  <Luke-Jr> oh, right
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279 2016-01-11T07:25:21  <Luke-Jr> is Coinbase the best way to sell all my bitcoins?
280 2016-01-11T07:25:23  <Luke-Jr> :P
281 2016-01-11T07:25:31  <Lightsword> .....
282 2016-01-11T07:25:44  <Luke-Jr> joking
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390 2016-01-11T11:33:50  <fredrin> Is there a list of segnet testnet nodes?
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407 2016-01-11T12:26:11  <jl2012> We are migrating to segwit2 branch
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530 2016-01-11T16:07:22  <skyzer> sorry if i'm behind segwit details, but i haven't seen anything about what web wallets need to do to use segwit functionality. basically my webwallet uses now 'sendmany' api call to do sendouts. With segwit do I have to use some new call or not?
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538 2016-01-11T16:13:28  <phantomcircuit> skyzer, nothing
539 2016-01-11T16:13:38  <skyzer> thx
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552 2016-01-11T16:31:52  <Chris_Stewart_5> Why aren't signatures validated when you are syncing with the blockchain for the first time?
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558 2016-01-11T16:42:10  <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: speed
559 2016-01-11T16:42:22  <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: the software has built-in checkpoints
560 2016-01-11T16:42:46  <sipa> which we're trying to grt rid of, as they confuse people's understanding of the security model
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563 2016-01-11T16:45:15  <phantomcircuit> Chris_Stewart_5, signatures above 295000 are validated, but not below because of speed as sipa said
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565 2016-01-11T16:50:58  <Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: phantomcircuit is this the most up to date bip wrt segwit
566 2016-01-11T16:51:00  <Chris_Stewart_5> https://github.com/CodeShark/bips/blob/segwit/bip-codeshark-jl2012-segwit.mediawiki
567 2016-01-11T16:51:34  <CodeShark> It's about to be updated quite a bit
568 2016-01-11T16:51:41  <jl2012> wait a moment
569 2016-01-11T16:52:46  <Chris_Stewart_5> CodeShark: as in this week or as in a few hours? Also is there going to be anything included about versions of Script?
570 2016-01-11T16:53:36  <CodeShark> As in a few minutes, I think ;)
571 2016-01-11T16:53:49  <Chris_Stewart_5> Ok thanks :-).
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573 2016-01-11T16:54:04  <jl2012> Chris_Stewart_5: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/277
574 2016-01-11T16:54:21  <CodeShark> A few seconds :)
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579 2016-01-11T17:02:12  <Chris_Stewart_5> When executing a pay-to-pubkey script, if OP_EQUALVERIFY fails, it is not neccessary to run the OP_CHECKSIG right?
580 2016-01-11T17:02:40  <Chris_Stewart_5> sorry pay-to-pubkey-hash
581 2016-01-11T17:02:57  <jl2012> yes, same as non-segwit tx
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615 2016-01-11T18:01:09  <CodeShark> If any verify op fails, the script fails in its entirety
616 2016-01-11T18:02:54  <Chris_Stewart_5> CodeShark: thanks :-)
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623 2016-01-11T18:15:07  <Chris_Stewart_5> Has there been any documentation done for labeling 'consensus critical' parts of the bitcoin repo? Is there a good rule of thumb?
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626 2016-01-11T18:17:53  <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: the consensus subdirectory, script/interpreter, coins.*, parts of main.cpp, ...
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650 2016-01-11T18:46:34  <pinhead> question about segwit soft-fork: do segwit transaction scriptPubKey's use a special SIGHASH flag? Is "ANYONE CAN SPEND" a sighash type? or just refers to a Tx with no cryptographic burden on the output?
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653 2016-01-11T18:53:38  <sipa> pinhead: anyonecanspend is a property of a scriptpubkey
654 2016-01-11T18:53:57  <sipa> it basically means a scriptPubKey that is ewuivalent to OP_TRUE
655 2016-01-11T18:54:14  <sipa> there is no special sighash
656 2016-01-11T18:54:54  <pinhead> @sipa thanks
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758 2016-01-11T22:23:14  <warren> https://testnet-faucet.elementsproject.org/  please donate to this testnet faucet?
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