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508 2016-01-12T14:49:37 <Diablo-D3> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/rds/archive/2016/01/11/remote-desktop-protocol-rdp-10-avc-h-264-improvements-in-windows-10-and-windows-server-2016-technical-preview.aspx
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695 2016-01-12T19:08:44 <lorenzoasr> hi, i'm using regtest to do some tests. If I send a transaction using "sendtoaddress" rpc command the transaction that has been created has the "locktime" field != 0, is this behavior normal ?
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697 2016-01-12T19:08:59 <sipa> yes, anti fee sniping
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701 2016-01-12T19:10:59 <lorenzoasr> thank you for reply. Never heard "fee sniping", is there some documentation about ?
702 2016-01-12T19:12:57 <lorenzoasr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340
703 2016-01-12T19:13:02 <lorenzoasr> ok found something interesting
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719 2016-01-12T19:34:37 <instagibbs> zookolaptop, (moved here) anyways, my original point was simply that his concerns had really nothing to do with soft/hard, but forking in general.
720 2016-01-12T19:35:27 <Chris_Stewart_5> Could you have a p2sh output and a p2pkh output on a single address?
721 2016-01-12T19:37:40 <zookolaptop> instagibbs: whose concerns?
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723 2016-01-12T19:39:29 <Luke-Jr> Chris_Stewart_5: outputs are not on addresses at all
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731 2016-01-12T20:04:31 <arubi> trying to understand how older clients parse 'extended transactions', specifically segwit kind, more specifically how is the head treated (dummy byte, flags). at first glance, it seems like a zero input transaction? documentation\file name where I can read about this will be helpful.
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735 2016-01-12T20:06:45 <arubi> maybe a segwit aware client won't bother relaying these type of transactions to older versions? not sure. thanks.
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739 2016-01-12T20:09:44 <Luke-Jr> arubi: correct, older versions never see the full tx
740 2016-01-12T20:10:25 <arubi> thanks Luke-Jr.
741 2016-01-12T20:11:21 <arubi> Luke-Jr, is "bool fHaveWitness" related? is this the way the node decides whether to tell a peer about segwit transactions or not?
742 2016-01-12T20:11:36 <Luke-Jr> I am not familiar with the code changes.
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744 2016-01-12T20:12:05 <arubi> ah, okay. was just hunting sipa's branch. thanks again
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746 2016-01-12T20:14:54 <Chris_Stewart_5> Luke-Jr: how is the 'addresses' field derived for json formats when you use 'getrawtransaction' with the 1 parameter to display it in json
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749 2016-01-12T20:16:01 <instagibbs> zookolaptop, wangchun
750 2016-01-12T20:16:03 <instagibbs> 's
751 2016-01-12T20:16:18 <Chris_Stewart_5> i.e. ./bitcoin-cli -testnet getrawtransaction ea82b8377f5918aa86f2d2dfaecbe788fc11596215f0f79603a51fed02ffc59e 1
752 2016-01-12T20:17:18 <arubi> Chris_Stewart_5, an address is just a representation of a scriptpubkey. if it's a p2pkh, it's "1..", if it's p2sh, it's "3..."
753 2016-01-12T20:18:30 <Luke-Jr> arubi: that's not correct
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755 2016-01-12T20:18:49 <arubi> er, sorry then.
756 2016-01-12T20:19:09 <Chris_Stewart_5> arubi: So I was looking at this document and isn't an address just generated off of multiple pub keys?
757 2016-01-12T20:19:19 <Chris_Stewart_5> or just one in the case of p2pkh
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759 2016-01-12T20:19:21 <Chris_Stewart_5> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Technical_background_of_version_1_Bitcoin_addresses
760 2016-01-12T20:19:33 <arubi> I was certain how an address looks like to your own node is just a product of the code you're running, and how it interprets the scriptpubkey
761 2016-01-12T20:19:47 <Luke-Jr> addresses are opaque
762 2016-01-12T20:20:09 <arubi> they are? I had the wrong idea then
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765 2016-01-12T20:20:52 <arubi> Chris_Stewart_5, a version 1 can't have multiple (public) keys to it, at least I'm almost sure
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769 2016-01-12T20:23:50 <Luke-Jr> arubi: without getting pedantic, at least :P
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771 2016-01-12T20:24:48 <arubi> Luke-Jr, I really thought about this before I said it :), aren't there less public keys than acceptable 32 bit numbers that are private keys?
772 2016-01-12T20:25:23 <arubi> I mean, isn't the modulo bigger than the order? you can see math is just a hobby for me :)
773 2016-01-12T20:25:59 <Luke-Jr> I don't know math language :p
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775 2016-01-12T20:26:09 <arubi> haha, you and me both.
776 2016-01-12T20:26:10 <Luke-Jr> but every private key has a public key, so..
777 2016-01-12T20:26:28 <arubi> yea, but maybe one private key can have two? I'm not sure
778 2016-01-12T20:26:59 <Chris_Stewart_5> I think there is an operation you run on private keys that can derive many public keys depending on how many times you use that operation
779 2016-01-12T20:27:06 <Luke-Jr> well, certainly for HD wallets they do (the seed in this case is the actual private key)
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781 2016-01-12T20:28:06 <arubi> yea but actual [priv -> ecmul -> pub]. Chris_Stewart_5 is right I think, two Y values I think
782 2016-01-12T20:30:35 <arubi> original tangent again, there are more public keys than rmd160 hashes. there probably are two public keys that hash to the same rmd160
783 2016-01-12T20:31:29 <Chris_Stewart_5> also, I think how many times you actually run that operation ends up being your private key for your elliptic curve. If I remember correctly.
784 2016-01-12T20:31:40 <sipa> an address is just a shorthand human readable notation for a specific scriptPubKey
785 2016-01-12T20:31:50 <Chris_Stewart_5> I watched a eliptic curve crypto primer from this guy on youtube lol, the interesting part starts at 6:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCvB-mhkT0w&list=PLkLgTq6RIpMTbIUxSfnMxCLEVa3Uuwk-9
786 2016-01-12T20:31:57 <arubi> sipa, yes! that's what I was trying to say
787 2016-01-12T20:32:16 <sipa> arubi: every single private key has exactly one public key
788 2016-01-12T20:32:42 <Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: so it is always a one to one relationship between priv and pub keys?
789 2016-01-12T20:32:49 <sipa> yes
790 2016-01-12T20:33:00 <arubi> sipa, ah, okay. it seemed at first there were less points than the P number (N == number of points?)
791 2016-01-12T20:33:30 <sipa> N is around 2^256 - 2^128
792 2016-01-12T20:33:41 <sipa> P is around 2^256 - 2^32
793 2016-01-12T20:33:50 <sipa> there are N-1 valid private keys
794 2016-01-12T20:34:19 <sipa> P is just the range of coordinates for public keys, not the number of public keys
795 2016-01-12T20:34:37 <arubi> yes I thought N was the number of public keys
796 2016-01-12T20:36:06 <arubi> sipa, "the range of coordinates", thanks. I had an "awakening" moment there.
797 2016-01-12T20:36:27 <Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: If an address is a human readable version for a script pub key how do you go from scriptPubKey -> address? What part of the scriptPubKey is hashed, or is it the entire thing?
798 2016-01-12T20:36:35 <Chris_Stewart_5> I'm trying to follow this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Technical_background_of_version_1_Bitcoin_addresses
799 2016-01-12T20:37:07 <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: it's the other way around; you can go from address to scriptPubKey, not the other way around
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801 2016-01-12T20:37:23 <sipa> not every scriptPubKey has a corresponding address
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803 2016-01-12T20:38:03 <sipa> a v0 address represents a pay-to-pubkey-hash scriot
804 2016-01-12T20:40:17 <Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: So if I have a serialized pubkey, I cannot figure out what address is related to that pubkey?
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811 2016-01-12T20:52:22 <Luke-Jr> [20:31:40] <sipa> an address is just a shorthand human readable notation for a specific scriptPubKey <-- I disagree; this misses the abstraction and opacity mattr
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813 2016-01-12T20:53:07 <sipa> Luke-Jr: the code constructing a transaction obviously has to break the abstraction
814 2016-01-12T20:53:15 <sipa> anything else can treat it as a black box
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818 2016-01-12T21:01:50 <Chris_Stewart_5> scriptPubKey*
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830 2016-01-12T21:26:47 <paveljanik> sipa, can you please join #bitcoin-core-dev for a second?
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844 2016-01-12T21:34:23 <CodeShark> please don't, sipa
845 2016-01-12T21:34:56 <CodeShark> :)
846 2016-01-12T21:35:45 <paveljanik> CodeShark, :-)
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860 2016-01-12T21:49:02 <Chris_Stewart_5> Can you derive the amount of signatures required from a scriptPubKey for a p2sh addres? Or can you only determine that information when a scriptSig is submitted?
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863 2016-01-12T21:50:45 <instagibbs> You need the redeemscript, aka the thing hashed for p2sh address
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865 2016-01-12T21:51:03 <instagibbs> doesn't need to be "submitted"
866 2016-01-12T21:51:05 <instagibbs> just known
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868 2016-01-12T21:51:27 <Chris_Stewart_5> instagibbs: thanks
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883 2016-01-12T22:13:20 <LeMiner> Throwing this out there; How viable would it be to test the upload speed for every node in the network by connecting to nodes one by one, getting an average and correlating that into a spreadsheet to see more or less the average upload speed we currently have available per node?
884 2016-01-12T22:13:56 <LeMiner> by requesting blocks obv.
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886 2016-01-12T22:14:42 <LeMiner> It might map some interesting data
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907 2016-01-12T22:38:50 <Cryo> from nov -> jan, hashrate has doubled. Is there some new hardware that came out?
908 2016-01-12T22:39:19 <Cryo> or is this part of the testing for block size differences?
909 2016-01-12T22:40:23 <brg444> Cryo AFAIK both BW and BitFury put out significantly more efficient chips
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911 2016-01-12T22:41:29 <Cryo> ok, that would make sense. thanks.
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928 2016-01-12T23:03:00 <bsm117532> CLTV is active on mainnet right now, correct?
929 2016-01-12T23:03:24 <AaronvanW> yes
930 2016-01-12T23:03:44 <bsm117532> What's the status of CSV?
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950 2016-01-12T23:25:46 <Guest5203> Hi dev team. I don't know the technical side well enough, but I wondered how viable it was to have some sort of additional blockchain built into bitcoin that exists to measure block propogation. Perhaps people sign something as soon as they have recieved a full block, with a hash that proves they have. This could give useful metrics on block propogation. Perhaps some sort of small reward at random based on a hash of all the e
951 2016-01-12T23:26:37 <Guest5203> Then the health of the network can be accurately monitored
952 2016-01-12T23:26:39 <kanzure> Guest5203: for a description of block propagation measurements that have been made, see http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-2015-11-09-mining-and-block-size-etc/ (although it's missing rusty's corpus and jtoomim's corpus)
953 2016-01-12T23:26:56 <kanzure> (this also does not include simulators or emulators)
954 2016-01-12T23:27:53 <jtoomim> there is also Lightsword's poolbench tool
955 2016-01-12T23:28:03 <jtoomim> i'll let him link that if he wants to
956 2016-01-12T23:29:05 <Lightsword> you can link to it
957 2016-01-12T23:29:17 <jtoomim> Guest5203 kanzure http://poolbench.antminer.link/
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960 2016-01-12T23:31:05 <Luke-Jr> jtoomim: that doesn't measure network propagation though
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962 2016-01-12T23:32:07 <Luke-Jr> in fact, can't really do that accurately unless you kill the relay network for a day
963 2016-01-12T23:32:26 <jtoomim> luke-jr that's accurate. it's just a related tool.
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967 2016-01-12T23:42:55 <Guest5203> I'll have a more detailed read of greg's presentation tomorrow, thanks for the link, looks interesting.
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970 2016-01-12T23:44:26 <Guest5203> I'm just wondering if we can use the decentralised, neutral and rewarding nature of bitcoin to obtain statistics that could be useful for minitoring network health. These numbers could be very useful when people mindlessly start talking about massive blocks if there's a "health" metric that is clearly stuggling as blocks grow.
971 2016-01-12T23:44:36 <Guest5203> *monitoring
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973 2016-01-12T23:45:02 <Guest5203> But it may be unrealistic pie in the sky
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981 2016-01-12T23:50:55 <fam17> What happens if a TX sent from btcoin-qt is still unconfirmed after 50 hours? Will it ever come back?
982 2016-01-12T23:54:53 <Luke-Jr> Guest5203: blocknotify may be a practical way to do it..
983 2016-01-12T23:55:08 <Luke-Jr> fam17: as long as Core is running, it will rebroadcast until it gets mined
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985 2016-01-12T23:55:42 <fam17> Thanks, yes have left the wallet open to keep trying until it goes through
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