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 18 2016-01-25T00:26:01  <kenrestivo> are there any good guides, or opensource implementations, to doing micropayments with off-chain txs?
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 41 2016-01-25T01:18:28  <cluelessperson> What are the valid parameters for a bitcoin private key?
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 44 2016-01-25T01:28:16  <kefkius> cluelessperson: An ECDSA private key i.e. 32 bytes of random data
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 49 2016-01-25T01:32:33  <cluelessperson> Do private keys have checksums?
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 51 2016-01-25T01:35:46  <maaku> the key itself no
 52 2016-01-25T01:35:55  <maaku> the format of the dumpprivkey serialization, yes
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 65 2016-01-25T01:56:35  <Luke-Jr> eh, these days "bitcoin private key" would usually be a HD wallet seed ;)
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 97 2016-01-25T02:55:10  <RainMan28> I'm running a bitcoin node on a 80GB SSD, 8GB RAM, 4 CPU VPS and server load average shoots up to 2.5 to 3.5 and slows the server down to a halt. Is there anything I can do to lighten the effect bitcoind has on the system?
 98 2016-01-25T02:55:52  <RainMan28> I'm running version 110200
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106 2016-01-25T03:08:11  <RainMan28> I'm only using the VPS for bitcoind, but when it slows down, I can't even query the wallet balance.
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110 2016-01-25T03:18:24  <owowo> RainMan28: is that node synced? Or did you newly install it and it is downloading the blockchain/syncing ?
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112 2016-01-25T03:18:41  <RainMan28> been active for about 6 months owowo, fully synced
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194 2016-01-25T06:32:02  <phantomcircuit> RainMan28, bitcoin-cli getpeerinfo | grep subver | sort | uniq -c
195 2016-01-25T06:32:08  <phantomcircuit> how many of the clients are bitcoinj?
196 2016-01-25T06:32:30  <phantomcircuit> and how long does it stay at high load?
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198 2016-01-25T06:32:42  <RainMan28> phantomcircuit: checking now
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200 2016-01-25T06:34:12  <RainMan28> phantomcircuit: it stays at high load for about 30-45 mins or so it seems. I have 3 BitCoinJ clients connected. Load right now is 0.23
201 2016-01-25T06:34:36  <bitcoin350> If I write a thin client rely on servers for information like available balances and transaction history. Standard code (like that available in bitcoinj -android) for maintaining wallet and sending bitcoins to others, is that will be  a good method ?
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203 2016-01-25T06:36:21  <Luke-Jr> bitcoin350: I don't know what you're asking.. it is generally not a good idea to simply trust third-parties for information.
204 2016-01-25T06:38:26  <bitcoin350> msg/ Luke-Jr But otherwise how it is possible to create an android application, since it is not possible store entire blockchain.
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206 2016-01-25T06:39:24  <Luke-Jr> bitcoin350: do not use /msg for this. the answer is that you do not need to store the entire blockchain to run Bitcoin Core
207 2016-01-25T06:41:32  <RainMan28> phantomcircuit: one time when the load was very high I think I did bitcoin-cli getinfo and it gave an error message about how it processed more blocks than it was expecting in the last 24 hours
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209 2016-01-25T06:42:49  <bitcoin350> But how the restore operation works in HD wallet,  we don't know which block has a transaction to our wallet address.
210 2016-01-25T06:45:20  <phantomcircuit> RainMan28, 30-45 minutes? uh what operating system are you running?
211 2016-01-25T06:46:46  <phantomcircuit> RainMan28, that error is caused by a certain person getting the math very wrong
212 2016-01-25T06:48:18  <RainMan28> phantomcircuit: Running Ubuntu 14.04
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214 2016-01-25T06:52:41  <RainMan28> phantomcircuit: does it just slow down drastically when there are a lot of blocks found in quick succession? It isn't slow all the time
215 2016-01-25T06:52:52  <RainMan28> but sometimes I can't even query the wallet's balance
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218 2016-01-25T07:00:18  <bitcoin350> The thin clients uses SPV for varification, but still it is not enough for restoring an HD wallet , am I correct
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224 2016-01-25T07:12:47  <RainMan28> hi mrkent
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401 2016-01-25T12:29:31  <Lauda> Warning: This version is obsolete..
402 2016-01-25T12:29:34  <Lauda> since when was this issued?
403 2016-01-25T12:30:48  <Lauda> Core 0.11.1 here
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408 2016-01-25T12:44:50  <phantomcircuit> Lauda, wat
409 2016-01-25T12:45:27  <aj> phantomcircuit: pre CLTV capable version soft-fork warning
410 2016-01-25T12:45:50  <phantomcircuit> oh CLTV right
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413 2016-01-25T12:47:24  <Lauda> So aj my 'node' does not fully validate blocks now or?
414 2016-01-25T12:49:07  <aj> Lauda: it won't relay spends of CLTV timelocked funds, and it for blocks that include spends of CLTV timelocked funds, it won't check all the rules that need to be checked
415 2016-01-25T12:49:41  <Lauda> Thanks. I'll wait for 0.12 to update.
416 2016-01-25T12:50:05  <aj> (you "should" run 0.11.2 in the meantime)
417 2016-01-25T12:52:26  <Lauda> Why is that?
418 2016-01-25T12:52:37  <Lauda> I only occasionally turn this on to sync
419 2016-01-25T12:52:58  <aj> because it validates the new rules and is the current version of the software?
420 2016-01-25T12:53:23  <Lauda> What possible negative effects are there (user wise)?
421 2016-01-25T12:53:38  <Lauda> I might and might not even send a single transaction from this in the meantime.
422 2016-01-25T12:53:40  <aj> none either way really afaik
423 2016-01-25T12:55:56  <xabbix> If my bitcoin-core node rejected a tx for any reason, and it gets included in the just arrived block, will I be able to getrawtransaction it after it ingested the new block? I should be able to do so since the new block is relayed with all the txs in it, right?
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448 2016-01-25T14:10:14  <jouke> xabbix: only if it's in your wallet or if you are running a full index node.
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453 2016-01-25T14:21:28  <xabbix> jouke: Yes I'm running with txindex=1
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484 2016-01-25T15:02:36  <denisx> where can I get 0.12rc2?
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493 2016-01-25T15:17:10  <wumpus> it's 0.12.0rc2, see the announcement here http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-January/012275.html
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500 2016-01-25T15:30:33  <denisx> wumpus: thanks
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508 2016-01-25T15:42:39  <Chris_Stewart_5> I'm looking at this test case from bitcoin core, its related to OP_PUSHDATA2
509 2016-01-25T15:42:41  <Chris_Stewart_5> ["0x4d 0x0100 0x08","8 EQUAL", "P2SH,STRICTENC", "0x4d is OP_PUSHDATA2"],
510 2016-01-25T15:43:26  <Chris_Stewart_5> does 0x0100 mean that the next 16 bytes need to be pushed on to the stack, or does it mean that the next 256 bytes need to be pushed onto the stack?
511 2016-01-25T15:43:45  <Chris_Stewart_5> 0x4d is the op code for OP_PUSHDATA2
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513 2016-01-25T15:46:47  <arubi> Chris_Stewart_5, if I understand correctly, it means "the next 0x0001 bytes will be pushed", but 0x0001 = 0x01, pushdata2 is too big for a one byte push
514 2016-01-25T15:48:53  <arubi> Chris_Stewart_5, and then you get "Data push larger than necessary" when trying to broadcast
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516 2016-01-25T15:49:59  <arubi> but, pretty sure it can still be mined if a miner chooses to.  not sure if this makes it invalid or not
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518 2016-01-25T15:53:03  <arubi> oh sorry, not 01, 0x10
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520 2016-01-25T15:53:26  <arubi> so, sorry I guess I'm wrong about that there
521 2016-01-25T15:54:37  <arubi> grr, I'm too tired, 0x0100 -> 0x0001 .  it is 0x01.
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543 2016-01-25T16:34:07  <what_now> How is this possible http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/6733553af91c4518bd15fb8448dee07fd37c85c56b2274322f59a721476e50bd
544 2016-01-25T16:34:25  <what_now> Where are the rest of the btc "gone"?
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548 2016-01-25T16:36:25  <what_now> For the lazy 1.089 sum of incoming 1.089 sum of outgoing but only 0.97806685 made it to the address and fee was 0.0001 so bitcoins can magically vanish?
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550 2016-01-25T16:37:46  <IanT_> 1KhMNZcM1BjZPMNwH6uXHmC2dfBMK6MLYU ->
551 2016-01-25T16:37:46  <IanT_> 0.11083315
552 2016-01-25T16:37:59  <what_now> Ah nvm my bad looks like there was change sent back sorry, it didnt show in trade view just raw view
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599 2016-01-25T17:25:36  <Chris_Stewart_5> arubi: Thanks for helping me out with that.
600 2016-01-25T17:25:50  <Chris_Stewart_5> Sorry for the delay in replying, I had to step out
601 2016-01-25T17:26:32  <arubi> sure
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603 2016-01-25T17:26:54  <Chris_Stewart_5> Little things like that can cause one to question their sanity :-)
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606 2016-01-25T17:27:05  <Chris_Stewart_5> So simple, yet so easy to make complicated
607 2016-01-25T17:27:19  <Chris_Stewart_5> if you overthink it
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610 2016-01-25T17:28:11  <arubi> hehe, endianess always does that to me :)
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639 2016-01-25T18:08:07  <wallet42> what are the restrictions for p2sh scripts?
640 2016-01-25T18:08:26  <wallet42> in therms of "standardness"?
641 2016-01-25T18:09:41  <Luke-Jr> wallet42: standards are defined by BIPs; relay policy is decided by individual nodes; default relay policy for Core is to not restrict P2SH except for sigop limits
642 2016-01-25T18:10:05  <Luke-Jr> decisions for new standards should ignore the current network node policies
643 2016-01-25T18:10:37  <kefkius> But for spending, the actual script has to be standard in the way a p2pkh script must be standard, right?
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653 2016-01-25T18:18:40  <Chris_Stewart_5> How is this a script that evaluates to true?
654 2016-01-25T18:18:42  <Chris_Stewart_5> ["0x4c 0x00","0 EQUAL", "P2SH,STRICTENC"],
655 2016-01-25T18:18:53  <Chris_Stewart_5> which decodes to OP_PUSHDATA1 0x00 0 EQUAL
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658 2016-01-25T18:19:33  <Chris_Stewart_5> does this end up have the stack = OP_0 when OP_EQUAL is called? Which should be a problem since OP_EQUAL requires two inputs?
659 2016-01-25T18:19:58  <kefkius> 0x00 and 0 are equal Chris_Stewart_5
660 2016-01-25T18:20:22  <kefkius> So, 0x00 and 0 are consumed and 1 is placed on the stack --> evaluates to true
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662 2016-01-25T18:20:52  <Luke-Jr> eh, isn't 0x00 the length in this case? so an empty vector.. and the number zero is likewise an empty vector
663 2016-01-25T18:23:01  <Chris_Stewart_5> however, isn't 0x00 not pushed onto the stack? Isn't that discarded as an input to OP_PUSHDATA1?
664 2016-01-25T18:23:27  <Luke-Jr> Chris_Stewart_5: the empty vector is pushed to the stack
665 2016-01-25T18:23:57  <Chris_Stewart_5> by OP_PUSHDATA1?
666 2016-01-25T18:24:02  <Luke-Jr> yes
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668 2016-01-25T18:24:23  <Chris_Stewart_5> so basically an OP_0 is pushed onto the stack?
669 2016-01-25T18:24:33  <Luke-Jr> yes
670 2016-01-25T18:24:44  <Chris_Stewart_5> hmm ok. Thanks Luke-Jr & kefkius
671 2016-01-25T18:24:47  <Luke-Jr> it's checking that both methods of pushing an empty vector get the same result
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683 2016-01-25T18:44:24  <Chris_Stewart_5> the result of arithmetic operations are pushed onto the stack top right?
684 2016-01-25T18:44:34  <Chris_Stewart_5> i.e. OP_ADD 3 4 would push 7 onto the stack?
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687 2016-01-25T18:48:55  <Lauda> Yes
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702 2016-01-25T19:16:48  <gavinandresen> 3 4 OP_ADD leaves a 7 on the stack...
703 2016-01-25T19:17:22  <kefkius> I was gonna say, it depends on what endianness your textual representation of a stack has :P
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715 2016-01-25T19:46:57  <wallet42> RPN FTW
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779 2016-01-25T21:11:24  <Luke-Jr> huh, interesting.. got a bad-diffbits block reject on testnet
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781 2016-01-25T21:11:36  <Luke-Jr> I wonder if it's invalid to use the correct difficulty past the 20 minute mark? O.o
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810 2016-01-25T21:50:26  <Chris_Stewart_5> Is an empty byte vector pushed onto the stack if the OP_IF body is empty, but true is on the stack top
811 2016-01-25T21:50:31  <Chris_Stewart_5> i.e. IF ELSE 1 ENDIF
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826 2016-01-25T22:04:58  <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: https://bitcoincore.org/en/meetings/2016/01/21/ "Wangchung from f2pool indicated he would not run code that required a C++ compiler." confuses C++11 with C++ and maybe(?) misspells wangchun's nick
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829 2016-01-25T22:06:00  <gmaxwell> the misspelling is my fault. :( I'm awful with names.
830 2016-01-25T22:06:38  <gmaxwell> it should all so list the action that we took from that (go talk to him and figure out wtf is up with that)
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832 2016-01-25T22:07:36  <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I suspect requiring C++11 is still a ways off. 0.12 won't even build with C++11 compilers (this is fixed in master).
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834 2016-01-25T22:08:24  <gmaxwell> I thought a decision was made for 0.13 to move to requiring C++11?
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838 2016-01-25T22:09:01  <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: supporting C++11 is step 1. :p
839 2016-01-25T22:09:14  <gmaxwell> sure sure.
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842 2016-01-25T22:09:39  <Luke-Jr> IMO we should have at least one release that soft-requires (disablable via configure) C++11 before we irreversibly modify the code to need it
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845 2016-01-25T22:10:32  <Luke-Jr> to collect any complaints
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847 2016-01-25T22:12:35  <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I don't think we're going to _not_ use C++11 regardless of what that turns up, the only question is timing.. and we've already delayed for an awful long time.
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850 2016-01-25T22:12:59  <gmaxwell> best argument I can give for that is that once we go C++11-needed in master backports will become harder.
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852 2016-01-25T22:18:23  <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: strong NACK for breaking the ability to compile Core on non-niche latest-stable distro releases - but hopefully that won't be a concern by 0.13
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886 2016-01-25T22:55:55  <maaku> gmaxwell Luke-Jr: I presumed the plan would be to depreciate C++03 along the same timeline as releases
887 2016-01-25T22:56:38  <maaku> so it is depreciated in 0.12, but 0.12 and 0.13 still compile C++03, and 0.14 is the earliest C++11-only code can come in
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890 2016-01-25T22:58:20  <Lightsword> I know a number of pools use centos 6 which doesn’t seem to have a native c++11 compiler
891 2016-01-25T22:58:33  <Lightsword> and won’t be EOL for a long time
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894 2016-01-25T23:00:24  <maaku> Lightsword: compile on another machine and static link
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896 2016-01-25T23:00:44  <moa> do you know pools that actually build their own binaries?
897 2016-01-25T23:00:44  <Lightsword> maaku, you can compile on them, just have to download a c++ compiler manually
898 2016-01-25T23:00:46  <Luke-Jr> maaku: sounds good to me, assuming it doesn't conflict with target goals
899 2016-01-25T23:00:54  <gmaxwell> Lightsword: IIRC redhat provides one for it.
900 2016-01-25T23:01:03  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: IMO it is only the *latest* stable we need to support
901 2016-01-25T23:01:07  <Lightsword> gmaxwell, I think it is unofficial
902 2016-01-25T23:01:08  <maaku> moa: most run custom patch sets
903 2016-01-25T23:01:12  <Luke-Jr> moa: all?
904 2016-01-25T23:01:16  <moa> jk
905 2016-01-25T23:01:25  <Lightsword> maaku, I’d say it’s 50:50 on custom patch sets
906 2016-01-25T23:01:35  <bsm117532> Millions for mining hardware but they can't be bothered to upgrade their server? What is that?
907 2016-01-25T23:01:46  <moa> be good if they actually put something back into FOSS once in a while ...
908 2016-01-25T23:02:03  <gmaxwell> Lightsword: running a compiler not tested by any of us is also dangerous, so I'm not sure that using RH's C++11 compiler would be a bad idea.
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910 2016-01-25T23:03:07  <Lightsword> gmaxwell, I think they were manually compiling gcc
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912 2016-01-25T23:04:02  <gmaxwell> Lightsword: oh well they don't need to do that, RH does provide a compiler.
913 2016-01-25T23:04:17  <gmaxwell> also ... what were they doing that for? bitcoin core doesn't currently need it.
914 2016-01-25T23:05:07  <Lightsword> gmaxwell, for centos6 they provide a c++11 compiler? they were using it for relay network actually
915 2016-01-25T23:05:22  <Lightsword> since relay does requite c++11
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918 2016-01-25T23:06:31  <gmaxwell> wget http://people.centos.org/tru/devtools-2/devtools-2.repo -O /etc/yum.repos.d/devtools-2.repo
919 2016-01-25T23:06:59  <Lightsword> gmaxwell, yeah they used that one, is that official? I thought it was the centos equivalent of a ubuntu ppa
920 2016-01-25T23:07:15  <Lightsword> they also manually compiled as well I think….not sure which one they were using
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