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 10 2016-01-27T00:31:00  <Chris_Stewart_5> Luke-Jr: How is '' interpreted by Bitcoin core? For example this test case '' 1 IF SHA1 ENDIF
 11 2016-01-27T00:32:20  <kadoban> Chris_Stewart_5: It's an empty push I believe, like PUSHDATA1 0, which pushes an item on the stack with no content
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 30 2016-01-27T01:13:06  <cluelessperson> Question, under "Keys and BIP32"  it describes:
 31 2016-01-27T01:13:07  <cluelessperson> If someone has access to a private wallet key P, of course they have access to all descendent wallet keys of P. But if they also have access to a public wallet key K where P is a subkey of K, you can actually work your way up the tree to determine the private key that corresponds to the public wallet key K
 32 2016-01-27T01:14:09  <cluelessperson> So if you have a child public key, and a parent public key,   you can determine the parent's private key?
 33 2016-01-27T01:14:16  <cluelessperson> Is that what I'm understanding here?
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 35 2016-01-27T01:14:44  <gmaxwell> that incorrect. If you have an extended public key, and any private key in the tree, you can derrive the rest of the private keys.
 36 2016-01-27T01:15:05  <cluelessperson> https://github.com/richardkiss/pycoin
 37 2016-01-27T01:15:32  <cluelessperson> gmaxwell,   Any private key from the tree?
 38 2016-01-27T01:15:54  <cluelessperson> gmaxwell, What's the definition of "extended public key" you just used?
 39 2016-01-27T01:20:13  <cluelessperson> That language is confusing and unclear, I feel.
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 42 2016-01-27T01:25:00  <cluelessperson> http://i.imgur.com/bRYgmhe.png
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 73 2016-01-27T02:04:12  <AdrianG> what is the reason some bitwise logic op codes are disabled? (xor/and/or)
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 75 2016-01-27T02:11:45  <gmaxwell> AdrianG: because they had remotely exploitable vulnerabilities.
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143 2016-01-27T04:10:14  <arioBarzan> one question regarding this statement:
144 2016-01-27T04:10:17  <arioBarzan> "Transaction replacement was introduced by Satoshi in the first release of the Bitcoin software, but later removed due to denial-of-service problems. Opt-in RBF solves this issue by requiring transaction replacements to pay a higher fee."
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146 2016-01-27T04:11:33  <denisx> hmm, any changes in sendtoaddress in 0.12.0.
147 2016-01-27T04:11:42  <denisx> my script is now throwing “Invalid amount”
148 2016-01-27T04:12:06  <arioBarzan> if such transaction is still unconfirmed, so there would be zero fee paid. how would that prevent DOS problem?
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151 2016-01-27T04:15:14  <arioBarzan> it seams that Opt-in RBF transactions could still cause DOS problem for mempool database.
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157 2016-01-27T04:21:22  <phantomcircuit> denisx, the json parser was switched to univalue which strictly enforces correctness of the values
158 2016-01-27T04:21:39  <phantomcircuit> typically you get that error because you're sending more than 8 places after the decimal
159 2016-01-27T04:22:06  <phantomcircuit> arioBarzan, the fee being paid by the transaction is encoded in the transaction...
160 2016-01-27T04:22:11  <denisx> phantomcircuit: ok, thanks. that could be it
161 2016-01-27T04:26:28  <arioBarzan> phantomcircuit: obviously. but the fee payment is not confirmed while transaction itself is not confirmed. the attacker still could send thousands of versions of one transactions, and increase the fee by minimum required for each consecutive one.
162 2016-01-27T04:28:32  <arioBarzan> eventually he pays some fee, but that transaction consumes significant bandwidth and validation resources up until confirmation.
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166 2016-01-27T04:35:19  <maaku> arioBarzan: but each one had to increase the fee. eventually you run out of coins
167 2016-01-27T04:35:39  <moli> if he keeps doing that, wouldn't miners know those tx's are spams and just ignore them?
168 2016-01-27T04:36:21  <denisx> phantomcircuit: thanks, that was it. is this in the readme of 0.12.0?
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379 2016-01-27T11:06:08  <zbbix> Does core relay orphan transactions to other nodes?
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381 2016-01-27T11:06:56  <phantomcircuit> zbbix, no
382 2016-01-27T11:07:48  <zbbix> phantomcircuit: Yesterday there was a pretty massive attack where the attacker relayed lots of orphan txs to my node. I thought this was only my node but after talking to other node operators I saw that they are experiencing the same behavior
383 2016-01-27T11:08:13  <zbbix> phantomcircuit: if they are not relayed, how does the attacker achieves this? Is his node connected to multiple nodes and therefore I'm not the only one suffering from this?
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385 2016-01-27T11:08:35  <wumpus> probably connects to lots of nodes then blasts to all of them
386 2016-01-27T11:09:02  <phantomcircuit> zbbix, there's a huge about of garbage in various nodes mempools from the spam attack thing
387 2016-01-27T11:09:12  <phantomcircuit> the transactions pay a very very small fee
388 2016-01-27T11:09:30  <phantomcircuit> which means they are not and will likely never be mined
389 2016-01-27T11:09:47  <zbbix> OK but if a tx spends a utxo that is not known to my client it's considered an orphan tx. Why does core even store these?
390 2016-01-27T11:09:49  <wumpus> note that *former* orphan transactions are relayed as soon as their dependencies are satisfied in the mempool
391 2016-01-27T11:09:51  <phantomcircuit> so until more people move to 0.12 with mempool limiting you can expect to randomly get hit with a bunch of garbage
392 2016-01-27T11:10:57  <gmaxwell> zbbix: "why does it store"  because transactions can arrive out of order.
393 2016-01-27T11:11:04  <phantomcircuit> zbbix, it keeps... 100? something like that around in memory if you're seeing lots of memory usage then it means the missing dependencies are being fulfilled in later transactions
394 2016-01-27T11:11:06  <wumpus> zbbix: it stores a limited number of them, to aid when transactions are somehow broadcasted out of order
395 2016-01-27T11:11:23  <zbbix> I understand, thanks a lot for the answers.
396 2016-01-27T11:11:26  <wumpus> zbbix: the limit is fairly small so it shouldn't be a problem in memory use compared to say, the mempool
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398 2016-01-27T11:12:03  <gmaxwell> I was working on some changes to the trickle logic that largely would have eliminated most out of order transactions but ran out of time before 0.12. ... the way nodes currently behave, in my view, is kind of dumb and result in poor propagation for chains of unconfirmed txn.
399 2016-01-27T11:12:15  <gmaxwell> (because they get set out of order and the orphan pool is so small they just end up lost)
400 2016-01-27T11:13:00  <zbbix> Is there a mechanism for nodes to 'blacklist' another node? Are they relaying that blacklist to other nodes?
401 2016-01-27T11:13:30  <gmaxwell> Why do you ask?
402 2016-01-27T11:14:02  <zbbix> I'm asking because if there is a mechanism to blacklist a node, why wasn't that spamming node was blacklisted by my node?
403 2016-01-27T11:14:05  <wumpus> yes, nodes can ban other nodes, you can do so manually using setban... and no, that's a strictly personal list
404 2016-01-27T11:14:09  <gmaxwell> Nodes will ban peers that misbehave in a subset of clear, fairly inexcusable ways. The baning is not transitive to other nodes.
405 2016-01-27T11:14:55  <zbbix> Does that mechanism currently takes into consideration that sort of attacks of orphan txs?
406 2016-01-27T11:14:56  <gmaxwell> Currently the software doesn't ban things for behavior which a node could honestly perform-- e.g. sending you transactions which you don't know the parents for.
407 2016-01-27T11:15:21  <zbbix> maybe adding some limits can benefit, not sure if that's feasible.
408 2016-01-27T11:15:58  <zbbix> something like, ban peer if it sent over 100 orphan txs in the past minute
409 2016-01-27T11:16:24  <wumpus> the problem is that that it shouldn't be possible to exploit it to break up the network or isolate nodes
410 2016-01-27T11:16:44  <wumpus> so automatic banning has to be really carefully considered
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412 2016-01-27T11:16:52  <zbbix> I understand
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414 2016-01-27T11:19:32  <wumpus> using setban and some other RPC plumbing you can implement your own banning policies as external script, then there is only a risk of isolating yourself if you do it wrong
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417 2016-01-27T11:21:08  <zbbix> Interesting suggestion wumpus, I'll have a look.
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540 2016-01-27T15:06:30  <Chris_Stewart_5> Does an OP_RETURN stop script execution once it is encountered?
541 2016-01-27T15:07:31  <instagibbs> it immediately fails
542 2016-01-27T15:08:33  <instagibbs> Chris_Stewart_5, you can do quick checks in src/scripts/interpreter.cpp
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544 2016-01-27T15:13:14  <Chris_Stewart_5> stacktop(-1) is popping off the stack right?
545 2016-01-27T15:13:51  <Chris_Stewart_5> or is that just indexing into the stack, not popping anything?
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551 2016-01-27T15:19:43  <Chris_Stewart_5> trying to figure out how OP_IFS and OP_ELSES are matched with this https://gist.github.com/Christewart/381dc1dbbb07e62501c3
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553 2016-01-27T15:20:08  <Chris_Stewart_5> using identations to represent the OP_IF & OP_ELSES that match
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555 2016-01-27T15:21:59  <thermoman> block pruning is still not compatible with running a wallet, right?
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584 2016-01-27T15:59:00  <xabbix> How do I define multiple debug categories in core? for example, alert and mempool? tried using alert,mempool but it didn't work :(
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588 2016-01-27T16:04:06  <helo> xabbix: try -debug=alert -debug=mempool
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591 2016-01-27T16:04:56  <xabbix> helo: Thanks, I'll try.
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596 2016-01-27T16:06:57  <wumpus> thermoman: in 0.12 it is
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602 2016-01-27T16:18:48  <wumpus> thermoman: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.12/doc/release-notes.md#wallet-pruning
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707 2016-01-27T19:04:28  <tobyirc> All, I've been working on a PR/BIP would love to get more feedback on it.
708 2016-01-27T19:04:34  <tobyirc> There have been plenty of comments around the use of OP_RETURN, but I'd like to hear some non-OP_RETURN related feedback if anyone has some:
709 2016-01-27T19:04:40  <tobyirc> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7376
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712 2016-01-27T19:08:34  <tobyirc> BIP Draft: https://gist.github.com/toby/9e71811d387923a71a53
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724 2016-01-27T19:19:59  <gijensen> tobyirc, what kind of feedback are you looking for? The PR and BIP seem to more-or-less revolve around OP_RETURN
725 2016-01-27T19:20:41  <tobyirc> gijensen well, I'm happy to hear even more feedback on OP_RETURN I'd also like to get more in to vetting the Specification
726 2016-01-27T19:21:00  <tobyirc> if the changes proposed to BIP70 make sense, don't break anything...
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735 2016-01-27T19:35:22  <Luke-Jr> cheaper spam = breaking something
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737 2016-01-27T19:36:01  <tobyirc> Luke-Jr as we've covered, we have very different definitions of spam :)
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741 2016-01-27T19:38:54  <gijensen> I don't really understand why you want to remove the ability to burn via RBF.
742 2016-01-27T19:39:51  <gijensen> s/RBF/OP_RETURN
743 2016-01-27T19:40:03  <gijensen> Dunno where my head's at
744 2016-01-27T19:40:48  <tobyirc> I think a case could totally be made for allowing the burning to ensure backward compatibility but my main case is that zero value OP_RETURNs should be supported in Payment requests
745 2016-01-27T19:41:03  <tobyirc> they're supported outside of payment requests
746 2016-01-27T19:41:34  <Luke-Jr> they're not supported, merely tolerated.
747 2016-01-27T19:41:58  <tobyirc> in my mind that's not how software works :)
748 2016-01-27T19:42:01  <tobyirc> it either works or it doesn't
749 2016-01-27T19:42:07  <Luke-Jr> I wonder if that should change. I'm not sure there's a reason to tolerate it with zero-value now that we have dust rules..
750 2016-01-27T19:42:32  <tobyirc> I actually think disallowing zero value OP_RETURN every would be a better solution
751 2016-01-27T19:42:34  <tobyirc> since it's consistent
752 2016-01-27T19:42:42  <tobyirc> even though it's not good for me :)
753 2016-01-27T19:43:10  <Luke-Jr> maybe we should require a normal value on OP_RETURN unless it's somehow identified as Counterparty or something
754 2016-01-27T19:43:11  <gijensen> I'm on the fence on how I feel about allowing 0 or enforcing a burn. I don't want enforced 0 though.
755 2016-01-27T19:43:15  <tobyirc> I'm genuinely curious about your position though, 40 bytes of data is almost nothing
756 2016-01-27T19:43:38  <tobyirc> gijensen very interesting, and exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for
757 2016-01-27T19:43:59  <Luke-Jr> tobyirc: I wonder if you might be just as well with a pay-to-contract
758 2016-01-27T19:44:09  <gijensen> :)
759 2016-01-27T19:44:38  <Luke-Jr> tobyirc: have you looked into https://github.com/Blockstream/contracthashtool ?
760 2016-01-27T19:45:06  <tobyirc> I had been thinking about something like that
761 2016-01-27T19:45:36  <tobyirc> it's an interesting idea, but if I understand correctly you could match the address to a hash value if you have it but the hash itself isn't stored on the blockchain?
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763 2016-01-27T19:46:45  <Luke-Jr> tobyirc: that's kindof inherent to what a hash does..
764 2016-01-27T19:46:50  <Luke-Jr> you need the input data, period.
765 2016-01-27T19:47:11  <Luke-Jr> so one extra step of turning it into address form is no difference
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767 2016-01-27T19:47:39  <tobyirc> right, but the address is itself a hash so the has I want is plain text so to speak
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769 2016-01-27T19:48:06  <tobyirc> it may not always be a hash
770 2016-01-27T19:48:16  <tobyirc> I had also thought about a user registration system that works like this
771 2016-01-27T19:48:22  <tobyirc> username stored in plain text OP_RETURN
772 2016-01-27T19:48:34  <tobyirc> whoever is controlling the server defines the fee to register the name
773 2016-01-27T19:49:17  <tobyirc> Luke-Jr something I totally agree with you about is not serializing data to the blockchain. I'm always talking about pointers (hashes, names...) that need to be associated with a monetary transaction
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779 2016-01-27T19:52:58  <maaku> I'm getting ZMQ build errors on Ubuntu 15.10 from the latest 0.12 stable branch:
780 2016-01-27T19:52:58  <maaku> zmq/zmqnotificationinterface.cpp:15:73: error: ‘zmq_strerror’ was not declared in this scope
781 2016-01-27T19:52:58  <maaku> (other related errors)
782 2016-01-27T19:53:29  <Luke-Jr> maaku: ZMQ 4.x?
783 2016-01-27T19:55:43  <Luke-Jr> (note that ZMQ breaks compatibility quite often, sometimes in subtle ways that only show up in the form of "random" network disconnections)
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800 2016-01-27T20:17:54  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, I’m seeing submitblock responses of {"error": null, "result": null, "id": null} on segnet, is this a proper response?
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802 2016-01-27T20:18:11  <Lightsword> not sure if it’s a generic 0.12 issue or segwit specific
803 2016-01-27T20:18:36  <Lightsword> note that that’s the response I’m getting for a valid submission
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806 2016-01-27T20:21:24  <denisx> is the stricter json checking also true for submitblock?
807 2016-01-27T20:22:16  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: that's a successful response.. see the BIP
808 2016-01-27T20:22:33  <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0022.mediawiki#Block_Submission
809 2016-01-27T20:22:41  <Luke-Jr> This method MUST return either null (when a share is accepted), a String describing briefly the reason the share was rejected, or an Object of these with a key for each merged-mining chain the share was submitted to.
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815 2016-01-27T20:25:19  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, it seems to have changed from a reasponse of true to null though for the “result” key
816 2016-01-27T20:25:33  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: no, true would have always been invalid
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818 2016-01-27T20:27:19  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, this isn’t for shares this is for blocks though, does that make a difference?
819 2016-01-27T20:28:38  <Luke-Jr> Lightsword: same thing
820 2016-01-27T20:28:54  <Luke-Jr> blocks are just shares on the main chain
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828 2016-01-27T20:34:40  <Lightsword> Luke-Jr, so ckpool has been checking for “result” being set to true and has worked fine on mainnet with 0.11.2 it seems, are you sure it didn’t change?
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832 2016-01-27T20:36:12  <Lightsword> https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool/src/aee476272183ac9531d40d4abbfd1b5c59e6d911/src/bitcoin.c?at=master&fileviewer=file-view-default#bitcoin.c-408
833 2016-01-27T20:39:16  <denisx> Lightsword: is there a problem with 0.12.0 and ckpool?
834 2016-01-27T20:40:20  <Lightsword> denisx, there’s a regression somewhere when sipa’s segwit tree(0.12.0 based) with ckpool master
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836 2016-01-27T20:41:52  <Lightsword> I get [2016-01-27 10:35:16.573] SUBMIT BLOCK GOT NO RESPONSE!
837 2016-01-27T20:41:58  <Lightsword> and then [2016-01-27 10:35:16.573] Submitted, but had block 16705 rejected
838 2016-01-27T20:42:04  <wallet42> tbtc.blockr.io is behind :(
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881 2016-01-27T21:36:09  <mnk> maybe it is a dumb question and the answer is no, but i am not sure: would it be theoretically possible to implement PoS in bitcoin?
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883 2016-01-27T21:36:41  <mnk> found answer in #bitcoin
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976 2016-01-27T23:40:41  <Guest52239> s
977 2016-01-27T23:40:44  <Guest52239> helo
978 2016-01-27T23:40:57  <Guest52239> where can i buy shingles medication for my wife with bitcoins
979 2016-01-27T23:41:15  <Guest99986> #bitcoin-otc
980 2016-01-27T23:41:37  <Guest52239> thank you
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984 2016-01-27T23:44:28  <Guest52239> hi
985 2016-01-27T23:44:31  <Guest52239> no one is there
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989 2016-01-27T23:50:33  <brand0> most specific troll ever
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