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31 2016-02-08T01:18:30 <rusty> kanzure: I'm wading through the 2MB thread now. It's become a sewer AFAICT. Hmm, wait, just hit a great jtoomim post which redeemed it.
32 2016-02-08T01:20:23 <maaku> worth reading? (i'm unsubscribed)
33 2016-02-08T01:24:44 <rusty> maaku: well, he actually provided the numbers on the profitability around the last halving. It was refreshing to see real data :)
34 2016-02-08T01:25:11 <maaku> real data is always good
35 2016-02-08T01:27:02 <rusty> maaku: it was a bit off topic, but it logically followed. I'm going to ask the other moderators if we should just kill that thread.
36 2016-02-08T01:27:33 <jtoomim> awww, thanks rusty
37 2016-02-08T01:27:33 <gmaxwell> It was about 2:1 profitablity for me through most of the end of 2012-- though difficulty had been dropping for months to maintain that. I always thought it was odd that hashrate was falling with profitability so high, but chalked it up to hardware attrition (stuff fails and it makes no sense to replace it) and people paying more for power.
38 2016-02-08T01:28:04 <jtoomim> i was debating about whether i should answer backchannel or not. i'm not sure if i made the right call.
39 2016-02-08T01:28:40 <jtoomim> gmaxwell how much were you paying for power?
40 2016-02-08T01:29:43 <gmaxwell> jtoomim: about 6 cents per kwh.
41 2016-02-08T01:30:38 <jtoomim> i knew a few people in california who were trying to mine off of $0.15/kWh and had to power off, and there were probably some europeans who did the same
42 2016-02-08T01:31:09 <jtoomim> they probably sold their rigs on the used market, at which point they were moved to a cheaper locale and powered back on
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46 2016-02-08T01:33:00 <gmaxwell> we also saw difficulty drops in the not too distant past. I suspect that emotional effects at small scale and realestate costs at large scales likely make the break even point closer to 2:1 on a coins to power basis; at least as an informal impression based on when diffculty goes up and down.
47 2016-02-08T01:33:40 <gmaxwell> I'm not sure if you ever ran a large scale operation with gpus, but their reliablity was very poor. Even just running two or three dozen gpus was a significant time investment cycling out bad hardware, dealing with fan failures, etc.
48 2016-02-08T01:35:54 <gmaxwell> Most of the asic miners are much better; though still pretty obnoxious at times. as a random aside, a bunch of avalon batch 1 hardware just showed up in an electronics scrap store local to me. interestingly, some of it appears to be clone hardware not mfgured by avalon... and all of it appears to have an interesting wiremod (I'd guess a voltage mod to get more hashrate out.. you could get a lot more
49 2016-02-08T01:36:00 <gmaxwell> out of most of the avalon boards...)
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62 2016-02-08T02:16:39 <pindarhk> Kung Hei Fat Choy (Happy New Year)! Please help determine whether a Scaling Bitcoin is held in 2016 by completing this 8 minute survey http://goo.gl/forms/6nbuvoGxWL
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108 2016-02-08T04:24:05 <instagibbs> gong xi fa cai pindarhk :)
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147 2016-02-08T05:49:04 <c4pt> how much does the blockchain grow every month in terms of hard drive space?
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149 2016-02-08T05:52:13 <moli> c4pt: ask in #bitcoin
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194 2016-02-08T08:25:06 <wumpus> given that up to 1 MB is added, on average, every 10 minutes, the worst case is easy to compute. The actual growth is a bit smaller as not all blocks are full.
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304 2016-02-08T12:24:47 <xabbix> What's the 'reqSigs' field for? I can see it in txs but cannot find any explanation online about it.
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313 2016-02-08T12:42:35 <wumpus> the number of signatures that are required
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319 2016-02-08T13:10:38 <xabbix> wumpus: as in multi sig signatures? I'll have a number > 1 for a multisig tx?
320 2016-02-08T13:13:28 <wumpus> yes, though it won't work for P2SH multisig
321 2016-02-08T13:13:47 <wumpus> (as it can't see from the output how many signatures are required)
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326 2016-02-08T13:42:42 <buZz> does anyone have an easy way to build raw transactions? like a bash script or something
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328 2016-02-08T13:44:23 <buZz> without depending on bitcoind, that is :/
329 2016-02-08T13:44:27 <wumpus> the bitcoin-tx command line tool
330 2016-02-08T13:44:37 <buZz> hmmf, guess this will need a lot of external help
331 2016-02-08T13:45:09 <wumpus> or from python, python-bitcoinlib
332 2016-02-08T13:45:28 <buZz> i want to build something around picocoin to make it usable for users that dont want to type transactions in hex :P
333 2016-02-08T13:45:30 <jouke> buZz: what do you want to do?
334 2016-02-08T13:45:59 <buZz> lower system requirements to run a wallet
335 2016-02-08T13:46:13 <jouke> Does it need to run a bitcoin node itself?
336 2016-02-08T13:46:15 <buZz> picocoin seems to able to function in just 32MB ram, more so than bitc
337 2016-02-08T13:47:10 <buZz> my target system doesnt have capabilities to run a full node
338 2016-02-08T13:47:18 <buZz> but i want it to hold the keys
339 2016-02-08T13:47:21 <buZz> and 'be the wallet'
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341 2016-02-08T13:48:11 <buZz> so i think using https://github.com/jgarzik/picocoin as 'engine' with some wrappers around it , could work
342 2016-02-08T13:49:15 <jouke> What do you mean with 'engine'?
343 2016-02-08T13:49:32 <buZz> its a SPV wallet system
344 2016-02-08T13:49:48 <buZz> but has no user friendly method to do transactions, or even see balance
345 2016-02-08T13:49:48 <buZz> etc
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347 2016-02-08T13:56:06 <buZz> i guess python-bitcoinlib gets quite far :)
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363 2016-02-08T14:12:22 <wumpus> it does
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374 2016-02-08T14:35:37 <Chris_Stewart_5> when evaluating an OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY is the tx invalid if ANY of the inputs sequence numbers are set to 0xffffffff
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377 2016-02-08T14:44:40 <instagibbs> yes
378 2016-02-08T14:44:59 <instagibbs> wait
379 2016-02-08T14:45:37 <instagibbs> no, just that particular one
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381 2016-02-08T14:45:44 * instagibbs reading the BIP
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402 2016-02-08T15:29:51 <maaku> Chris_Stewart_5: just the one
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414 2016-02-08T15:58:30 <Chris_Stewart_5> thanks maaku
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533 2016-02-08T19:18:14 <midnightmagic> attempting to gitian 0.12.0rc1, I see the following error in build.log for the windows port (Linux gitian works and verifies fine): /home/ubuntu/build/bitcoin/depends/x86_64-w64-mingw32/lib/libdb_cxx-4.8.a(cxx_env.o):cxx_env.cpp:(.data$_ZTISt9exception[_ZTISt9exception]+0x0): multiple definition of `typeinfo for std::exception'
534 2016-02-08T19:18:21 <midnightmagic> is there something magic to solve this?
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618 2016-02-08T22:25:14 <Lauda> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012403.html
619 2016-02-08T22:25:26 <Lauda> What's the chance of this happening?
620 2016-02-08T22:31:01 <warren> Lauda: (not a core dev, just guessing) I think the position of some exchanges is they fear doing engineering work so they might not like a HF of this type. A HF of this type would require everyone to switch at the same time as opposed to segwit SF which allows for gradual opt-in when wallets and service operators are ready.
621 2016-02-08T22:32:50 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/322
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623 2016-02-08T22:35:08 <Lauda> warren Why is everyone so afraid of a HF?
624 2016-02-08T22:35:26 <midnightmagic> this isn't really the place for that discussion.
625 2016-02-08T22:35:43 <warren> right, this is off-topic here, sorry for responding.
626 2016-02-08T22:36:14 <midnightmagic> #bitcoin or ##bitcoin would work as long as Lauda doesn't devolve it into trolling
627 2016-02-08T22:36:14 <Lauda> I guess..
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637 2016-02-08T22:52:08 <mohammad> hi
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639 2016-02-08T22:52:29 <Guest58548> hi
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672 2016-02-08T23:59:56 <midnightmagic> has anyone had any problems building 0.12.0rc* in gitian that look like this: multiple definition of `typeinfo for std::exception' when doing the Windows builds?