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10 2016-02-26T01:00:19 <RainMan28> Hi guys, I upgraded a test node to 0.12 and see that rpc ssl support has been dropped. I see the instructions in the release notes to use stunnel, but am a little unsure as to how I can do that. I currently have an install of bitcoind acting as a server, and 3 other installs acting as clients that connect via rpcssl to it. Do I need to install stunnel on both client and server nodes?
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13 2016-02-26T01:20:09 <kanzure> joseph poon is asking for SIGHASH_NOINPUT deployment in segwit for useful lightning network reasons, http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-February/012460.html
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23 2016-02-26T01:48:56 <RainMan28> Does Matt Corallo hang out in this channel?
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25 2016-02-26T01:50:49 <moa> RainMan28: sometimes BlueMatt is around
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27 2016-02-26T01:51:03 <RainMan28> thanks moa
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148 2016-02-26T11:26:54 <chjj> anyone having trouble connecting to the segnet seeds?
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150 2016-02-26T11:45:23 <Lauda> Any thoughts on BIP109?
151 2016-02-26T11:53:56 <TZander> Lauda: its awesome?
152 2016-02-26T11:54:07 <Lauda> Any implementation or something yet?
153 2016-02-26T11:56:19 <TZander> it is implemented, yes. Don't think Core will merge it, though
154 2016-02-26T11:56:44 <Lauda> May I get a link?
155 2016-02-26T11:56:46 <Lauda> Why not?
156 2016-02-26T11:57:18 <TZander> why not? I think you have been missing the last 10 months of bitcoin-drama :)
157 2016-02-26T11:58:11 <Lauda> What has BIP109 to do with 10 months of drama?
158 2016-02-26T12:03:41 <Luke-Jr> TZander: it isn't up to Core to merge it
159 2016-02-26T12:03:53 <Luke-Jr> Lauda: poorly designed
160 2016-02-26T12:04:03 <Lauda> How so?
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163 2016-02-26T12:05:03 <Luke-Jr> Lauda: basically ignores everything we've learned over the last 7 years about how to make changes to Bitcoin
164 2016-02-26T12:05:33 <TZander> Lauda: if its not up to core, who is it up to?
165 2016-02-26T12:05:41 <TZander> sorry, Luke-Jr ^
166 2016-02-26T12:06:01 <Lauda> Luke-Jr 1 concrete flaw in this design?
167 2016-02-26T12:06:02 <Luke-Jr> the timeline is unrealistic, it activates with a mere 75% of miners (and 0.000001% of economy) supporting it, it leaves old nodes insecure, doesn't really address the issues scaling is concerned with, and aims to do things that clearly don't have consensus
168 2016-02-26T12:06:08 <Luke-Jr> TZander: the entire community
169 2016-02-26T12:07:02 <timothy> hi, is there any risk (corruption) if a wallet.dat created with new bdb version (5.x) is opened in a bitcoin-{qt,daemon} using the "current" one (4.8.30)?
170 2016-02-26T12:07:16 <timothy> or bitcoin-{qt,daemon} just doesn't start?
171 2016-02-26T12:07:27 <Luke-Jr> timothy: I think the latter, but uncertain.
172 2016-02-26T12:07:36 <Luke-Jr> timothy: just make a backup first
173 2016-02-26T12:08:36 <Lauda> Luke-Jr I thought BIP109 was a backwards compatible relay system?
174 2016-02-26T12:09:10 <timothy> it's not for me, I'm thinking about using the proper bdb version (4.8.30) on new archlinux packages. but old one is using 5.x. Obliusly I'll write an howto to convert the db (db_dump + 4.8.30 db_load), but I don't want users to loose bitcoins :)
175 2016-02-26T12:09:17 <TZander> Lauda: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0109.mediawiki
176 2016-02-26T12:09:26 <Lauda> ^I'm reading.
177 2016-02-26T12:10:24 <TZander> timothy: just do a 'dumpwallet'before (preferably after creating some named receive addresses) and afterwards check if those addresses are still available.
178 2016-02-26T12:10:55 <TZander> timothy: bdb is supposed to be upwards compatible. There is no guarentee in the direction you ar going.
179 2016-02-26T12:12:16 <Luke-Jr> Lauda: there is absolutely nothing backward compatible about BIP 109
180 2016-02-26T12:12:30 <Luke-Jr> timothy: ah, makes sense
181 2016-02-26T12:12:45 <Lauda> Seems somebody is spreading false information then.
182 2016-02-26T12:13:03 <Luke-Jr> TZander: I wouldn't rely on dumpwallet.
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184 2016-02-26T12:14:13 <Lauda> Luke-Jr seems there was a confusion as there are two BIP109's..
185 2016-02-26T12:14:46 <Lauda> I was talking about
186 2016-02-26T12:14:51 <Lauda> https://gist.github.com/erasmospunk/23040383b7620b525df0
187 2016-02-26T12:15:04 <Luke-Jr> ah
188 2016-02-26T12:15:55 <Luke-Jr> "I don't follow the Specification section. It doesn't appear to be actually doing anything that would improve scaling, and looks to hugely increase node bandwidth requirements and use." https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xhqze/bip_109_efficient_block_relay_format_mempool_soft/cy4y3jl
189 2016-02-26T12:17:40 <Lauda> Thanks.
190 2016-02-26T12:18:43 <Lauda> That's why I was confused and it didn't make sense. I do agree with the bad design of BIP109 (Gavin).
191 2016-02-26T12:20:21 <Luke-Jr> Lauda: bip-soft-blocks will get a new number when/if they submit it
192 2016-02-26T12:20:38 <Lauda> Great.
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196 2016-02-26T12:31:59 <timothy> it seems backwardcompatible, bitcoin-qt build with 4.8.30 version loads without any problem a db created by 5.3.28
197 2016-02-26T12:32:03 <timothy> wallet.dat: Berkeley DB (Btree, version 9, native byte-order)
198 2016-02-26T12:32:05 <timothy> wallet.dat.bak: Berkeley DB (Btree, version 9, native byte-order)
199 2016-02-26T12:32:16 <timothy> and file returns the same "version"
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201 2016-02-26T12:32:42 <timothy> I'll have to test it on x86 and arm too
202 2016-02-26T12:33:17 <Luke-Jr> really? that's unexpected
203 2016-02-26T12:33:23 <Luke-Jr> maybe an Arch thing?
204 2016-02-26T12:34:04 <timothy> I can't see any patch about new bdb
205 2016-02-26T12:34:05 <timothy> https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/db
206 2016-02-26T12:34:44 <Luke-Jr> the patch would be on the old ver I'd think
207 2016-02-26T12:35:34 <Luke-Jr> timothy: note that 0.12 bundles [lib] UniValue; you'll need my syslibs patches if you want to debundle it
208 2016-02-26T12:36:18 <timothy> Luke-Jr: I didn't patch old version, I mainly followed doc/build-unix.md
209 2016-02-26T12:36:35 <timothy> aka "vanilla" static version + CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS
210 2016-02-26T12:36:39 <Luke-Jr> timothy: I think this is the first version with a non-consensus-critical lib bundled
211 2016-02-26T12:36:42 <Luke-Jr> just FWIW
212 2016-02-26T12:37:03 <Luke-Jr> although you may want to package Knots when I release it; no idea how Arch handles things like that though
213 2016-02-26T12:37:39 <timothy> we avoid to patch think when it's no necessary. so if you bundle a library we keep the bundled version
214 2016-02-26T12:37:47 <timothy> (guidelines of course)
215 2016-02-26T12:38:17 <Luke-Jr> interesting, most distros avoid that
216 2016-02-26T12:38:21 <timothy> drizzt@liara ~ % strings `which bitcoin-qt` | grep 'Berkeley DB [45]'
217 2016-02-26T12:38:22 <timothy> Berkeley DB 4.8.30: (April 9, 2010)
218 2016-02-26T12:38:31 <timothy> so I'm really using bdb 4.8.30
219 2016-02-26T12:40:30 <Luke-Jr> sure bdb 5 made the file?
220 2016-02-26T12:40:47 <timothy> sure
221 2016-02-26T12:42:57 <timothy> drizzt@liara .bitcoin % ~/trunk/src/db4/bin/db_dump wallet.dat.bak | db_load new.dat
222 2016-02-26T12:42:59 <timothy> drizzt@liara .bitcoin % ~/trunk/src/db4/bin/db_verify new.dat && echo OK
223 2016-02-26T12:43:00 <timothy> OK
224 2016-02-26T12:43:07 <timothy> (for example)
225 2016-02-26T12:43:24 <timothy> but I'm sure the original wallet.dat was created by 5.3.28
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242 2016-02-26T13:27:29 <TZander> timothy: for what its worth, I never really had any issues with changing versions. We don't exactly use a lot of database features, so less opportunity to go wrong :)
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248 2016-02-26T14:49:03 <timothy> [semi-OT] is there any FAQ-collector about the blockchain size debate? I always have to explain this to people
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268 2016-02-26T15:54:55 <Chris_Stewart_5> SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY is used in conjunction with the other three hash types?
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402 2016-02-26T20:49:55 <kanzure> timothy: there's no faq-collector to my knowledge, but i have a very large number of links on many topics, which i can provide to you if you were interested in compiling a faq (or actually, even if you weren't interested in doing that)
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406 2016-02-26T21:25:20 <slaughlin> I am trying to enable many people to send bitcoin to a particular wallet. A sender would visit a web page which displays an address associated with the destination w
407 2016-02-26T21:25:22 <slaughlin> allet. By virtue of the nature of the web, many people could of course be viewing this web page at the same time. Would it be appropriate for me to generate a new ad
408 2016-02-26T21:25:24 <slaughlin> dress each time this web page is viewed?
409 2016-02-26T21:25:51 <slaughlin> (apologies for the formatting)
410 2016-02-26T21:26:26 <slaughlin> I see that other services do not generate a new address each time the page is rendered.
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413 2016-02-26T21:28:30 <slaughlin> For example, changetip displays the same address each time the page is rendered. When that address is used, changetip will create a new address, but not until that point in time.
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415 2016-02-26T21:29:47 <slaughlin> For changetip's approach, I think addresses will inevitably be reused, and I know that is less than ideal.
416 2016-02-26T21:30:41 <slaughlin> But it seems to me that the only way to ensure that addresses are not reused would be to generate and display a new address each time the page is rendered
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418 2016-02-26T21:31:43 <slaughlin> Of course that could potentially mean generating thousands/millions of addresses that will never be used
419 2016-02-26T21:32:33 <slaughlin> I'm new here and have no idea how active this channel is, but any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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423 2016-02-26T21:36:58 <sturles> Addresses is not a limited resource. You can generate as many as you want. The rest og the network will never know unless the address is used.
424 2016-02-26T21:39:54 <Luke-Jr> slaughlin: if the same address is ever given twice for two different transactions, it is a bug
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428 2016-02-26T21:50:27 <slaughlin> sturles: Great, thank you for that verification.
429 2016-02-26T21:51:59 <slaughlin> Luke-Jr: Thanks, that certainly seems to be the consensus of all the resources I've been reading. Unless I'm missing something, ChangeTip is certainly exhibiting this bug.
430 2016-02-26T21:53:15 <slaughlin> They seem to be making the assumption that tips will come in gradually/infrequently enough that the address will always be refreshed and unique
431 2016-02-26T21:53:47 <slaughlin> There's no way that holds true all the time, though.
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436 2016-02-26T22:48:26 <wallet42> i see all these DEPRECATED warning on account functions
437 2016-02-26T22:48:45 <wallet42> is the whole account feature beeing removed? when?
438 2016-02-26T22:48:54 <wallet42> what is the recommended alternative?
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441 2016-02-26T22:56:11 <helo> wallet42: the alternative depends what you're using it for, but most inquiries like this are from small businesses/operations that are trying to track customer funds using the accounts feature, and that is better served by tracking customer balances in a relational database
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