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17 2016-03-01T01:18:37 <kanzure> can i get some ACKs on https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/331 ? i want to fix this.
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22 2016-03-01T01:38:49 <Lightsword> how do I override 66: mempool min fee not met for sendrawtransaction?
23 2016-03-01T01:40:28 <morcos> Lightsword: no overridable i don't think... you'd have to start your node with a larger mempool
24 2016-03-01T01:40:42 <morcos> i don't think it would be a terrible idea to set the mempool limit via rpc though
25 2016-03-01T01:41:20 <Lightsword> morcos, would be nice to have a flag to just have sendrawtransaction ignore all errors except consensus rules
26 2016-03-01T01:41:49 <Lightsword> morcos so if I start it with a larger mempool it should work?
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28 2016-03-01T01:42:22 <morcos> Lightsword: you are trying to mine it yourself?
29 2016-03-01T01:42:27 <Lightsword> morcos, yeah
30 2016-03-01T01:42:31 <morcos> Actually either way
31 2016-03-01T01:42:37 <morcos> you can just prioritize it before hand
32 2016-03-01T01:42:44 <Lightsword> oh, you can do that?
33 2016-03-01T01:42:45 <morcos> unless we screwed up royally
34 2016-03-01T01:42:59 <morcos> that should be taken into account for all fee comparisons
35 2016-03-01T01:43:13 <morcos> yeah just need the hash
36 2016-03-01T01:43:30 <Lightsword> whatâs the command to set it to max priority?
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38 2016-03-01T01:44:15 <morcos> just look at the help for prioritsetransaction and then add a delta fee to give it whatever fee rate you want it to be considered to have
39 2016-03-01T01:44:44 <morcos> for instance if you add a fee delta of 1BTC i'd wager that'd be enough to get anything mined (unless its truly enormous)
40 2016-03-01T01:45:07 <morcos> and i guess what i said before is hopefully not true, i don't think the absurd fee check will take into account modified fee
41 2016-03-01T01:45:22 <Lightsword> ok, restarting the node let me submit it
42 2016-03-01T01:45:27 <morcos> forget about delta priority, more straightforward to just use delta fee
43 2016-03-01T01:45:29 <morcos> no i was wrong
44 2016-03-01T01:45:31 <morcos> you don't need to
45 2016-03-01T01:45:38 <morcos> just use prioritisetransaction
46 2016-03-01T01:47:46 <Lightsword> so prioritisetransaction txid 1 100000000?
47 2016-03-01T01:49:36 <morcos> Lightsword: sounds right or txid 0 100000000
48 2016-03-01T01:50:28 <morcos> you ought to be able to undo anything you do wrong there just by putting in the negative of it in an additional call
49 2016-03-01T01:51:04 <morcos> all it does is make your node think that that tx has a fee or priority increased by the amount given for the purposed of mempool acceptance, eviction, and mining
50 2016-03-01T01:53:45 <Lightsword> morcos, yeah that seems to have worked, Iâm seeing it in getblocktemplate now
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226 2016-03-01T12:19:25 <Luke-Jr> reminder: OpenSSL is releasing 1.0.2g today with important security fixes.
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277 2016-03-01T15:22:57 <jeremias> question related to pruning, according to documentation: However, rescans as well as the RPCs importwallet, importaddress, importprivkey are disabled.
278 2016-03-01T15:23:34 <jeremias> would it be possible to have these features, but so that they scan only recent data (which as I understand is still stored on disk)
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280 2016-03-01T15:23:50 <jeremias> I mean scan only the block data which is still on disk
281 2016-03-01T15:24:06 <instagibbs> jeremias, to be clear, those rpc calls aren't disabled, just rescanning with those are disabled
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283 2016-03-01T15:26:05 <instagibbs> for now I don't think there's a way to limited rescan. There are some PRs that attempt to do this, none merged
284 2016-03-01T15:26:07 <instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7061
285 2016-03-01T15:26:32 <instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7551
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287 2016-03-01T15:28:59 <jeremias> instagibbs: great
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289 2016-03-01T15:30:19 <instagibbs> if you know exactly where the funds are, including the full txn and spv proof, you can also try: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7558
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291 2016-03-01T15:31:18 <instagibbs> but limited rescan seems better for your case, if you're only looking forward in time
292 2016-03-01T15:31:27 <instagibbs> err, not too distant
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330 2016-03-01T17:28:11 <Iriez> Does the new -maxmempool parameter have a ceiling? Or can it be as large as im willing to expand it?
331 2016-03-01T17:31:41 <wumpus> no, it has no ceiling, though if you set it higher then the amount of memory in your computer it can crash when it grows that big
332 2016-03-01T17:34:22 <Iriez> Yes, of course, thank you.
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341 2016-03-01T17:57:45 <morcos> Iriez: I've found that it a 2000 MB mempool hasn't quite filled up. But if you really want to not evict much from your mempool, also consider increasing -mempoolexpiry
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410 2016-03-01T19:19:41 <slaughlin> I want to generate addresses / bitcoin links for a user and make them available on the web so whosoever wishes to send bitcoin to the user may do so.
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413 2016-03-01T19:22:08 <slaughlin> To generate addresses for a user, I reckon an HD wallet is the way to go, as this will enable me to generate unlimited numbers of addresses on behalf of my user, while allowing him to maintain his private key.
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416 2016-03-01T19:24:18 <slaughlin> So let's say my user has an HD wallet. Now he needs to give me the related seed from which I can generate addresses on his behalf.
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428 2016-03-01T19:25:44 <slaughlin> Is that seed the "master extended public key"?
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432 2016-03-01T19:28:01 <instagibbs> I believe so, but you should be careful with that, because if you somehow leak that, it's a huge privacy risk, and if the user exposes a single private key, they can be combined to crack the whole wallet
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434 2016-03-01T19:28:29 <instagibbs> Might make more sense for the user to supply you with N addresses ahead of time or something, locally generated
435 2016-03-01T19:31:10 <slaughlin> instagibbs: that makes sense, thank you. Assuming that I have to generate addresses for my user (because they are not savvy enough to do it for me), is the approach I have outlined the best/safest way?
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449 2016-03-01T19:34:05 <instagibbs> perhaps, although if they're running your wallet software it should be automated
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452 2016-03-01T19:37:16 <slaughlin> instagibbs: I think I understand. So if they are not using my wallet software (i.e. they are using coinkite or similar) perhaps the best I can do is store their master extended public key, from which I can generate addresses.
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454 2016-03-01T19:39:29 <slaughlin> instagibbs: On the other hand, if they were using my wallet software, I would be able to automte the process of generating batches of addresses.
455 2016-03-01T19:41:15 <slaughlin> instagibbs: Actually maybe I don't understand. How would I automate that? Is it because as a wallet I would already have access to secrets, perhaps including private keys?
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457 2016-03-01T19:45:57 <slaughlin> instagibbs: I'm relatively new to bitcoin and still trying to understand all the nuances. I'm personally using Coinkite as my wallet, if that helps.
458 2016-03-01T19:47:39 <slaughlin> So as a coinkite user, I have access to my master extended public key, but I don't have access to my private key, so far as I can tell. Coinkite stores and protects it for me, presumable.
459 2016-03-01T19:47:46 <slaughlin> *presumably
460 2016-03-01T19:47:47 <gijensen> I don't think most users know how to export their xpub. The mnemonic seed they see is used to geberate their masterkey used for generating their private keys and public keys alike.
461 2016-03-01T19:49:30 <slaughlin> gijensen: Good point. I fancy myself technically competent, having developed software for a couple decades, and yet I'm struggling.
462 2016-03-01T19:49:52 <gijensen> Bitcoin can be a big learning curve :)
463 2016-03-01T19:50:05 <slaughlin> The only reason I know what my master extended public key is, is because coinkite emailed it to me when I signed up.
464 2016-03-01T19:50:30 <gijensen> Oh that's interesting, also sounds like a privacy/security issue o.o
465 2016-03-01T19:52:21 <slaughlin> gijensen: Yeah, it's kind of frustrating, because it seems like all the well-known bitcoin software I try out violates some "best practice" at one point or another.
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467 2016-03-01T19:53:18 <gijensen> I ran into that issue starting out, reading the BIPs helps a lot. BIP32, BIP39, and BIP44 got me started
468 2016-03-01T19:53:46 <slaughlin> gijensen: c.f. ChangeTip reusing addresses, as I pointed out last week.
469 2016-03-01T19:53:59 <slaughlin> gijensen: thanks for that tip.
470 2016-03-01T19:54:09 <gijensen> Yup :p many things do. No problem!
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472 2016-03-01T19:57:19 <slaughlin> So clearly there are many wallets out there, supporting various features. If I rely on a particular feature (e.g. HD Wallets / BIP32) then users who don't use a wallet with that feature are excluded from participating.
473 2016-03-01T19:59:24 <rnvk> @slaughlin @gijensen from Coinkite, happy to answer any questions. The reason why users get their xpub key is because it's their data to own. We also allow you to download a complete UTXO list to rebuild your wallet in case we ever go away
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475 2016-03-01T19:59:59 <slaughlin> So I could publicize that up front (i.e. to use this service you must have an HD / BIP32 wallet -- and if you don't know what that means then please go to Coinkite and create a wallet [or whatever])
476 2016-03-01T20:00:33 <rnvk> all wallets on Coinkite are HD
477 2016-03-01T20:00:50 <rnvk> both standard and p2sh
478 2016-03-01T20:00:57 <gijensen> rnvk, email isn't the best method though. For all the same reasons you wouldn't email a password :p. I'm unfamiliar with Coinkite, do you guys store the private keys or no?
479 2016-03-01T20:01:55 <arubi> oh man, what a question to answer in a public, logged channel :)
480 2016-03-01T20:02:01 <rnvk> we have multiple models, users can use their own private keys with multisig (worth the read here https://coinkite.com/faq/multisig)
481 2016-03-01T20:02:17 <gijensen> Thanks
482 2016-03-01T20:02:55 <rnvk> all priv keys have hardened generation, xpub doesn't provide any way to rebuild it
483 2016-03-01T20:03:22 <slaughlin> rnvk: Great to have you on here!
484 2016-03-01T20:03:31 <rnvk> Pleasure is mine
485 2016-03-01T20:04:18 <rnvk> btw, we've put a lot of content here, very much worth reading https://coinkite.com/faq/security
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488 2016-03-01T20:07:07 <gijensen> Is that a fact? Using hardened derivation prevents a user who has an xpub and a single private key from solving for all keys? That'd put my mind at ease
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490 2016-03-01T20:10:28 <gijensen> That is some cool security though. Particularly emailing an encrypted masterkey, that's a new one for me.
491 2016-03-01T20:10:56 <rnvk> https://bitcoin.org/en/glossary/hardened-extended-key https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#hardened-keys
492 2016-03-01T20:11:46 <gijensen> Thanks rnvk.
493 2016-03-01T20:12:46 <rnvk> Np. If you want to play with a higher level of security use Coinkite's offline key generation. https://coinkite.com/offline/ and if you can do python, this one is fun https://github.com/coinkite/offline-multisig-python
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499 2016-03-01T20:20:36 <arubi> xpub leaking still silently points you out in a crowd
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514 2016-03-01T20:40:17 <gijensen> arubi, I don't think a hardened xpub reveals it's children though
515 2016-03-01T20:40:25 <gijensen> its
516 2016-03-01T20:40:48 <instagibbs> gijensen, pretty sure that's the only reason it's "hardened"
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518 2016-03-01T20:41:57 <instagibbs> https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#hardened-keys
519 2016-03-01T20:43:08 <gijensen> Wouldn't this also mean if slaughlin wanted users go share their xpubs, then he wouldn't get their addresses anyways?
520 2016-03-01T20:43:20 <gijensen> Coinkite doesn't use BIP44
521 2016-03-01T20:45:30 <arubi> gijensen, I always thought a hardened xpub doesn't reveal private keys if one leaks, but it still is used to generate public keys as hierarchy
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523 2016-03-01T20:46:43 <gijensen> arubi, it looks like the whole reason we have both hardened and non-hardened keys is because hardened ones are less useful.
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525 2016-03-01T20:47:39 <instagibbs> " This formula makes it impossible to create child public keys without knowing the parent private key."
526 2016-03-01T20:47:51 <arubi> ah, good to know.
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528 2016-03-01T20:50:33 <arubi> I still wonder if it's possible, if you do have the xpub, to know about newly used keys\addresses after the fact that you hear about them, you know how to link them
529 2016-03-01T20:51:26 <arubi> unless you really can't even go backwards, check if a pubkey belongs to a hierarchy
530 2016-03-01T20:52:51 <arubi> meh, I guess you can't.
531 2016-03-01T20:52:52 <gijensen> arubi, this seems to say no (in fewer words than the developer guide, maybe) bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/36512/why-does-bip44-use-non-hardened-paths-at-all
532 2016-03-01T20:53:07 <gijensen> I was too slow :p
533 2016-03-01T20:53:13 <arubi> yea, I just re-worded at my end and it seemed obvious :)
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