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35 2016-03-02T02:28:39 <midnightmagic> warren: hello, I would like to do some basic gnupg key verification for your gitian build signing key. Is there some well-known place that you hang out where you've posted something linking you to keyid 0xB1179EB7347DC10D ?
36 2016-03-02T02:29:22 <kanzure> hrm i think i just got his key the other day and i commented on how it was the same from gitian, but uh.. i support your verification request.
37 2016-03-02T02:29:34 <midnightmagic> :)
38 2016-03-02T02:29:50 <kanzure> i mean not from gitian, i mean er, from the gitian build key folders
39 2016-03-02T02:30:14 <midnightmagic> so far gmax and petertodd have gone wayyyyy out of their way to introduce keys through non-face-to-face means
40 2016-03-02T02:31:29 <kanzure> please elaborate
41 2016-03-02T02:32:13 <midnightmagic> petertodd has a youtube video where he reads off the longform keyid (or fingerprint, I forget now) and gmax has keys linked back to his wikipedia days, and includes a photo id which apparently nobody ever checks.
42 2016-03-02T02:34:07 <Luke-Jr> eh, photo ids in keys don't really prove much
43 2016-03-02T02:34:17 <Luke-Jr> after all, a fake key could just copy that
44 2016-03-02T02:36:04 <midnightmagic> the guy who is in this particular photo id does presentations and calls himself gmaxwell, and the guy who is doing the presentations does not appear to object to it. in essence, the guy in the videos appears to endorse the distribution of a key with his photo id in it. additionally, the photo id is identical to the one on the wikimedia pages, and is linked back to those times, as well as the xip
45 2016-03-02T02:36:10 <midnightmagic> h times and mozilla times.
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47 2016-03-02T02:37:27 <midnightmagic> this sort of reverse verification wouldn't mean much if the key were just some rando. but it's used in very prominent places. additionally, the user who calls himself gmaxwell in here, consistently presents that as his key, connects from the same places consistently and has for like six years, and commits stuff and to stuff using his key all the time. after all this time, it counts.
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53 2016-03-02T02:56:48 <achow101> well warren's key is on the mit keyserver https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xB1179EB7347DC10D. It has sigs from a bunch of people in bitcoin development
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112 2016-03-02T06:37:31 <warren> midnightmagic: I think it might miss the point to trust a gitian because particular people signed sigs, it is less bad to trust it because a number of unrelated persons signed the same hashes, it's ultimately best if you verify the hashes yourself.
113 2016-03-02T06:38:36 <midnightmagic> warren: i submit gitian sigs. my comparison is irrelevant if it matches up with keys I just randomly downloaded from pgp.mit.edu
114 2016-03-02T06:40:10 <midnightmagic> warren: besides, unless you have a specific code signing key, key verification (in its necessarily lesser forms) is good for other stuff too. Do you publish your key anywhere else? maybe somewhere in fedora..?
115 2016-03-02T06:40:55 <midnightmagic> .. I'm less interested in transitive trust than doing some form of rudimentary checking myself.
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127 2016-03-02T07:34:03 <warren> midnightmagic: http://wtogami.blogspot.com/2013/06/transition-to-new-gpg-key.html the old key is signed pretty extensively by Red Hat/Fedora people
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144 2016-03-02T08:18:46 <midnightmagic> warren: perfect, thanks
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357 2016-03-02T21:35:30 <Chris_Stewart_5> Are digital signatures in scriptSigs encoded as little endian or big endian?
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379 2016-03-02T23:02:46 <kre10s> Hello. I've been trying to build a transaction manually just for kicks! But cannot for the life of me get the net to accept. the only error I get is script was not verified successfully... could someone give me a hint please? 0100000001e94518816f667cb3292f6c0f5879ef93f2fa134875672f031fdcd2f93e6aadf6000000008c493046022100d38e51dabba7af8b191312f16cb0f3538a87fd4ac0c4cb85b294e1a6694de7ae022100f6ad6a3ef9d2dc1f032f67754813faf293ef79580f6c2f29b37c666f811845e
380 2016-03-02T23:02:46 <kre10s> 901410420f34c2786b4bae593e22596631b025f3ff46e200fc1d4b52ef49bbdc2ed00b26c584b7e32523fb01be2294a1f8a5eb0cf71a203cc034ced46ea92a8df16c6e9ffffffff01c0c62d00000000001976a914e7c1345fc8f87c68170b3aa798a956c2fe6a9eff88ac00000000
381 2016-03-02T23:02:58 <kre10s> It's supposed to go on the testnet.
382 2016-03-02T23:08:39 <Luke-Jr> kre10s: manually to what degree? surely not doing the EC math by hand?
383 2016-03-02T23:10:46 <kre10s> nope. I got libs for that... although I am doing the DER encoding.
384 2016-03-02T23:12:49 <kre10s> privkey for mrvHv6ggk5gFMatuJtBKAzktTU1N3MYdu2 where the unspent coins are at is sha256("some big long brainwallet password") if you care to know.
385 2016-03-02T23:13:59 <Luke-Jr> note brainwallets are considered completely insecure
386 2016-03-02T23:14:25 <kre10s> yup. but for testing...
387 2016-03-02T23:14:46 <Luke-Jr> hmm
388 2016-03-02T23:14:59 <Luke-Jr> everything looks syntatically good, so I'd have to guess the problem is with the signature
389 2016-03-02T23:15:21 <Luke-Jr> you know BIP 66 I assume>?
390 2016-03-02T23:15:48 <kre10s> I am signing 0100000001e94518816f667cb3292f6c0f5879ef93f2fa134875672f031fdcd2f93e6aadf6000000001976a9147d13547544ecc1f28eda0c0766ef4eb214de104588acffffffff01c0c62d00000000001976a914e7c1345fc8f87c68170b3aa798a956c2fe6a9eff88ac0000000001000000
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395 2016-03-02T23:18:31 <kre10s> thank's for the BIP 66 reference. I'll check If I comply.
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403 2016-03-02T23:23:54 <mrkent_> Is it feasible to use HD xpub to derive a vanity address?
404 2016-03-02T23:23:57 <kre10s> hmm. even the DER encoding is OK....
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408 2016-03-02T23:29:35 <Luke-Jr> mrkent_: it would be slower, but not impossible
409 2016-03-02T23:29:44 <Luke-Jr> kre10s: are you signing the correct data?
410 2016-03-02T23:31:14 <kre10s> I think so...
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415 2016-03-02T23:36:16 <Luke-Jr> kre10s: throw bitcoind in gdb and set a breakpoint to see what data it's using?
416 2016-03-02T23:37:38 <kre10s> bitcoind will want to sync before doing anything IIRC... got no time for that. I think I encoded R and S wrong.
417 2016-03-02T23:38:26 <Luke-Jr> kre10s: it only needs to sync to the point where your inputs exist, which I assume you're already at
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423 2016-03-02T23:52:00 <mrkent_> > it would be slower, but not impossible @Luke-Jr: do you know roughly how much slower?
424 2016-03-02T23:52:28 <Luke-Jr> mrkent_: I don't know, no. Depends on hashing speed I think.
425 2016-03-02T23:52:49 <mrkent_> that is, 1 hd derivation vs 1 private key generation
426 2016-03-02T23:52:50 <Luke-Jr> mrkent_: It would be interesting to see a wallet that does it in the background to queue up such addresses.
427 2016-03-02T23:53:03 <Luke-Jr> mrkent_: private key generation in this case is simply adding 1 to a 256-bit number.
428 2016-03-02T23:53:19 <Luke-Jr> the initial starting point is properly random, but after that it's +1
429 2016-03-02T23:55:54 <mrkent_> What's the fastest HD wallet library out there? I can try to bench mark it
430 2016-03-02T23:57:11 <Luke-Jr> I don't know
431 2016-03-02T23:57:43 <mrkent_> I'm thinking it'd be cool to have a wallet sell vanity keys as a a feature.