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130 2016-03-05T10:32:59 <SillyMusings> Hi everyone
131 2016-03-05T10:33:14 <SillyMusings> Is there a limit to the maximum number of unconfirmed TXes a new TX can build on top of?
132 2016-03-05T10:33:59 <phantomcircuit> SillyMusings, in theory? no, in practice? yes
133 2016-03-05T10:34:13 <phantomcircuit> a better question is probably, why?
134 2016-03-05T10:34:17 <SillyMusings> phantomcircuit, do you know what the order of magnitude is?
135 2016-03-05T10:34:31 <SillyMusings> I am trying to determine how to architecture my new app
136 2016-03-05T10:36:44 <phantomcircuit> SillyMusings, it would help if i knew what it was
137 2016-03-05T10:36:52 <phantomcircuit> (even just broadly)
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139 2016-03-05T10:37:46 <SillyMusings> phantomcircuit, sure, basically I'm trying to test bitcoin's fee market
140 2016-03-05T10:37:58 <phantomcircuit> oh
141 2016-03-05T10:38:04 <phantomcircuit> so you're spamming crap
142 2016-03-05T10:38:08 <SillyMusings> I'm aware that the network is currently under spam attack(s) and I want to play around as well
143 2016-03-05T10:38:09 <phantomcircuit> yeah im not going to help you
144 2016-03-05T10:38:25 <SillyMusings> well, security through obscurity doesn't work.
145 2016-03-05T10:38:57 <phantomcircuit> whatever you say
146 2016-03-05T10:39:00 <SillyMusings> I'm being friendly and using OP_RETURN so the output can be pruned.
147 2016-03-05T10:39:02 <phantomcircuit> im not going to help you
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169 2016-03-05T11:50:53 <SillyMusings> I am currently pushing 35.94 kB every 10 minutes
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172 2016-03-05T12:02:25 <jeremias> cool
173 2016-03-05T12:02:45 <jeremias> are you masturbating at the same time?
174 2016-03-05T12:02:53 <jeremias> sounds like kinky stuff
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176 2016-03-05T12:06:36 <SillyMusings> jeremias, I am not. Right now I am struggling with Antpool
177 2016-03-05T12:06:42 <SillyMusings> who does not mine OP_RETURN transactions.
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179 2016-03-05T12:09:35 <SillyMusings> Correction: I was wrong. They do.
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181 2016-03-05T12:17:36 <SillyMusings> https://tradeblock.com/bitcoin/ 20tx/s.
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215 2016-03-05T14:24:00 <aschildbach> I wonder is there a description of how to calculate fees when sending? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees#Sending seems to be outdated. It's ok if that description for now doesn't cover how to estimate the fee rate.
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220 2016-03-05T14:39:53 <jeremias> aschildbach: how would the calculation never be correct
221 2016-03-05T14:40:11 <jeremias> -> everyone uses the same algorithm -> not going to work
222 2016-03-05T14:40:30 <aschildbach> Did I claim that?
223 2016-03-05T14:40:33 <jeremias> it is same as everyone trading on markets with the same bot with same bot, obviously would be only terrible
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225 2016-03-05T14:40:43 <jeremias> I dunno
226 2016-03-05T14:41:13 <aschildbach> The "fee market" doesn't work anyway, as it is a monopoly.
227 2016-03-05T14:41:20 <aschildbach> What I need is the rules from the monopolist.
228 2016-03-05T14:41:33 <jeremias> monopoly how?
229 2016-03-05T14:42:13 <aschildbach> I'm here for the rules.
230 2016-03-05T14:42:30 <jeremias> hmm I guess the best way would to check from the source
231 2016-03-05T14:42:57 <aschildbach> I tried, but I fail at reading C.
232 2016-03-05T14:43:15 <jeremias> <hmm I can try at some point
233 2016-03-05T14:43:33 <aschildbach> Or at least I didn't find the location of the fee calculation for the wallet.
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239 2016-03-05T14:53:34 <jeremias> the situation is kind of sad
240 2016-03-05T14:55:26 <jeremias> aschildbach: as I understand from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet.cpp, the fee is kind of random
241 2016-03-05T14:55:47 <jeremias> but it is more than the GetMinimumFee
242 2016-03-05T14:56:19 <jeremias> I would examine CreateTransaction and go from there
243 2016-03-05T14:58:26 <aschildbach> Ok thanks for the pointer, I'll try.
244 2016-03-05T14:58:31 <aschildbach> The fee can't be random (-:
245 2016-03-05T14:59:48 <jeremias> I meant kind of random
246 2016-03-05T14:59:52 <jeremias> of course not really random
247 2016-03-05T15:00:05 <jeremias> but it iterates some loopå until there is enough fee
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250 2016-03-05T15:11:40 <aschildbach> Ah you mean iterative...
251 2016-03-05T15:12:21 <aschildbach> Weird, the code still contains a conditional for free transactions (priority rule). I thought there are no free transactions any more.
252 2016-03-05T15:13:40 <warren> aschildbach: miners always had the option to turn that off
253 2016-03-05T15:14:16 <aschildbach> warren: Sure. I'm talking about the sending code not the relay or mining code btw.
254 2016-03-05T15:15:14 <warren> aschildbach: I believe that's now considered deprecated with potential removal later, the default for that is now zero.
255 2016-03-05T15:15:24 <warren> meaning it is already disabled by default
256 2016-03-05T15:15:52 <aschildbach> jeremias: Looks like the while loop is only run twice. Once with zero fee and then with the fee that was missing.
257 2016-03-05T15:16:20 <aschildbach> warren: I know I know. I'm talking about the SENDING code.
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260 2016-03-05T15:18:06 <sape> Hi, what's the future of bitcoin block size?
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266 2016-03-05T15:38:19 <sape> What Happened At The Satoshi Roundtable https://medium.com/@barmstrong/what-happened-at-the-satoshi-roundtable-6c11a10d8cdf
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268 2016-03-05T15:44:30 <kanzure> https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html
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273 2016-03-05T15:56:56 <sape> HEY, I am a random Bitcoin user: DEVs stop arguing and reach CONSENSUS
274 2016-03-05T15:56:57 <sape> HEY, I am a random Bitcoin user: DEVs stop arguing and reach CONSENSUS
275 2016-03-05T15:56:57 <sape> HEY, I am a random Bitcoin user: DEVs stop arguing and reach CONSENSUS
276 2016-03-05T15:57:56 <sape> Just propose some options (1-Stay with 1MB, 2-Go with 2MB, 3-Other Solution), and VOTE
277 2016-03-05T15:59:34 <instagibbs> I propose a banning
278 2016-03-05T16:00:54 <sape> ok
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286 2016-03-05T16:19:09 <morcos> aschildbach: happy to chat with you a bit more about how Bitcoin Core does fees... not online much this weekend, but feel free to ping me tues or any time next week (at MIT mon)
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307 2016-03-05T17:14:46 <aschildbach> morcos: thanks
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326 2016-03-05T17:49:43 <NicolasDorier> Toy for devs : https://blockchainprogramming.azurewebsites.net/checkscript
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