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 76 2016-03-07T05:43:44  <phantomcircuit> Lightsword, shrug the code that disconnects them is pretty fast and the non-broken implementations wont reconnect to you
 77 2016-03-07T05:44:21  <Lightsword> phantomcircuit, well there are def broken implementations that do seem to try and reconnect
 78 2016-03-07T05:44:38  <phantomcircuit> Lightsword, those aren't actually bitcoinj
 79 2016-03-07T05:44:47  <phantomcircuit> or at least they're not real spv clients
 80 2016-03-07T05:45:27  <Lightsword> phantomcircuit, oh? are they clients doing tracking?
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 82 2016-03-07T05:49:11  <phantomcircuit> Lightsword, probably
 83 2016-03-07T05:53:59  <Lightsword> phantomcircuit, the wallets I’ve been seeing do it seem to have IP’s in many different countries
 84 2016-03-07T05:54:06  <Lightsword> and it’s mainly multibit
 85 2016-03-07T06:00:28  <phantomcircuit> Lightsword, maybe some old broken multibit
 86 2016-03-07T06:00:42  <phantomcircuit> iirc there's been versions which selected peers very stupidly
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230 2016-03-07T18:41:01  <Greybits> Hi, is there is a list of which bitcoin-core client versions are vulnerable to openssl drowning bug?
231 2016-03-07T18:44:02  <wumpus> that bug shouldn't really affect bitcoin core
232 2016-03-07T18:44:25  <Greybits> bitcoin core doesn't use openssl?  it is listed in the "about bitcoin core" page in the qt client
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235 2016-03-07T18:45:02  <wumpus> it uses opensssl, but for encryption and random number generation. It only uses (outgoing) SSL connections for payment protocol in the gui, and there it forces TLS
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237 2016-03-07T18:45:24  <Greybits> what version of tls?
238 2016-03-07T18:45:30  <wumpus> and DROWN is a server-side vulnerability, it doesn't affect clients
239 2016-03-07T18:46:17  <wumpus> any version of TLS (SSLv2 and 3 are disabled)
240 2016-03-07T18:46:39  <Greybits> when clients communicate on port 8333 it is not encrypted with an openssl lib?
241 2016-03-07T18:46:44  <wumpus> no
242 2016-03-07T18:47:14  <Greybits> 8333 is plain text?
243 2016-03-07T18:48:29  <wumpus> yes
244 2016-03-07T18:49:10  <Greybits> and people enter the rpc password over port 8333?
245 2016-03-07T18:50:01  <Arnavion> You're not supposed to open the RPC port over an insecure network, or any network at all if you can help it
246 2016-03-07T18:50:30  <Greybits> why wouldn't it use encryption anyway?  if you are already using the openssl libs other places
247 2016-03-07T18:50:49  <arubi> you're not being fair.. rpc used to support 'rpcssl' right?
248 2016-03-07T18:51:33  <Greybits> arubi, i really don't know much about it, which is why im here trying to learn.
249 2016-03-07T18:51:55  <arubi> Greybits, nobody in their right mind are running rpc over anything but 127.0.0.1
250 2016-03-07T18:51:59  <arubi> like Arnavion said
251 2016-03-07T18:53:01  <wumpus> 8333 is not the RPC port, it is the P2P network, no passwords go over it only public information such as blocks and transactions
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253 2016-03-07T18:53:34  <arubi> well you're right, I missed that and somehow fixed myself on rpc.
254 2016-03-07T18:53:39  <Arnavion> Heh, same
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256 2016-03-07T18:54:20  <wumpus> (there are people talking about optional authentication+encryption support on P2P, but that would be something at the bitcoin P2P message level, not TLS)
257 2016-03-07T18:55:02  <arubi> ooh, cool.
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259 2016-03-07T18:55:31  <wumpus> TLS is pretty sucky, introduces too large an attack surface, we'd like to get rid of openssl as a core dependency
260 2016-03-07T18:56:56  <wumpus> (which can be done as soon as it no longer used for random number generation and AES for wallet encryption)
261 2016-03-07T18:57:08  <Greybits> wumpus, what kinds of things are in place to stop client 8333's from being being flooded?
262 2016-03-07T18:58:12  <wumpus> Greybits: nothing, really
263 2016-03-07T18:58:34  <Greybits> i wonder how many simultaneous connections an average port 8333 can sustain
264 2016-03-07T18:58:51  <wumpus> connection exhaustion did become more difficult with 0.11 and 0.12 though, but a client can send as many packets as it wants
265 2016-03-07T18:59:12  <wumpus> 125 is the default max number of incoming connectinos
266 2016-03-07T18:59:46  <Greybits> thank you.   how long is the keep alive?
267 2016-03-07T18:59:49  <wumpus> you can configure it with a command line option, but every connection takes a few MB of memory
268 2016-03-07T19:00:39  <wumpus> 20 minuets
269 2016-03-07T19:00:43  <Greybits> oh wow
270 2016-03-07T19:03:03  <Greybits> it sounds like someone could modify the code in like 5 minutes to make 125 outgoing connections to every peer that it sees.
271 2016-03-07T19:03:59  <wumpus> people have tried
272 2016-03-07T19:04:49  <Greybits> if you could find the most "interconnected" peers it sounds like some pimply 13 year old could really cause some hassles.
273 2016-03-07T19:05:51  <wumpus> as said, in recent versions there are some mitigations for trivial connection flooding, if too many connections come from the same net range they get disconnected to make place for new ones
274 2016-03-07T19:06:11  <Greybits> yes, but in the real world, that is not how that attack will play out.
275 2016-03-07T19:06:35  <wumpus> you're welcome to improve the anti DoS code
276 2016-03-07T19:07:07  <Greybits> i would prefer to test the current and recent versions, find the problems, prove they exist.  then work on how to fix.
277 2016-03-07T19:07:19  <wumpus> good luck
278 2016-03-07T19:09:10  <Greybits> thank you.  and thank you for sharing your wisdom with me.
279 2016-03-07T19:09:26  <kanzure> if i was to open an issue for an "spv" client to use more than 100 connections to bitcoin nodes, which "spv" client github repositry should i open that issue on?
280 2016-03-07T19:11:07  <Greybits> wumpus, is there a way in the client source code ( or any other place ) to make it so that your client wouldn't allow connections from certain bitcoin-core versions like if you didn't want to connect to Classic nodes?
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282 2016-03-07T19:11:54  <wumpus> kanzure: you'd have to find an SPV client that is actually actively maintained :p
283 2016-03-07T19:12:20  <kanzure> well that's impossible
284 2016-03-07T19:15:01  <wumpus> Greybits: technically: getpeerinfo to get the subver, then ban with setban ... but it's not really encouraged to do that, because people can easily spoof a different string, and if such behavior was widely used everyone woudl just report the same version string, similar to how all browsers report as Mozilla/X.X
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298 2016-03-07T20:15:36  <wumpus> interesting, someone is working on bitcoin core on android, https://github.com/greenaddress/abcore
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300 2016-03-07T20:19:03  <wumpus> and gitian armhf builds: https://github.com/keo/bitcoin/commit/2e568375ea3410a67ed4d7cb18a2cabd4ece0580
301 2016-03-07T20:19:07  <wumpus> nice things going on
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