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71 2016-04-26T07:39:56 <murch> Is there a way for a lightweight client to make sure an output has not been spent yet?
72 2016-04-26T07:41:48 <murch> I mean, as a full-node, I obviously keep track of the UTXO set myself, and while it seems easy to prove creation and spending of an output to a lightweight client, it seems hard to prove to a lightweight client that an output remains unspent.
73 2016-04-26T07:44:29 <murch> My initial impulse would be to query my full-node peers and ask them whether they have knowledge of said UTXO. It seems that BIP64 introduced a `getutxo` message to that effect, although I'm not sure that it still is part of the API. Is there a way to check this information more reliably?
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76 2016-04-26T07:50:56 <murch> Asked a question about it on Bitcoin.SE: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/43856/5406
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116 2016-04-26T10:51:40 <hidden> Is it possible (it's not with QT as "Duplicate address found: addresses should only be used once each." message shows up), to send multiple amounts to 1 address by and for the transaction to be accepted by the network?
117 2016-04-26T10:51:52 <hidden> multiple amounts in 1 transaction.
118 2016-04-26T10:52:33 <hidden> same way multiple address's receive different amounts in one transaction, but one address being the receipent
119 2016-04-26T10:52:59 <hidden> is it just hard coded in the client interface or a rule for the network to count these transactions as invalid?
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124 2016-04-26T10:56:39 <arubi> hidden, it's possible. see 44891891b96df0c9561284079e477cd16380e6e55f997bc817bdd20145fdae17 on testnet
125 2016-04-26T10:57:06 <hidden> ah damn
126 2016-04-26T10:57:25 <hidden> loads of work to do then
127 2016-04-26T10:57:48 <arubi> how so?
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129 2016-04-26T11:00:23 <hidden> i was first recording txid and not amounts, transaction being a unique value in my db. just realised wth i did so now i record txid alongside amount.. need to look rewrite my code more to loop through the amounts and address put unique entry for each address
130 2016-04-26T11:00:55 <hidden> should check the raw transaction first
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143 2016-04-26T11:43:54 <murch> hidden: Amount could still not be unique, but you could record txid + vout position, that'll be unique
144 2016-04-26T11:45:43 <hidden> thanks
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151 2016-04-26T11:59:09 <hidden> murch should i just stick with rpc.listtransactions and if tx['category'] == 'receive': within the result. will this have all the incoming transactions affiliated with the transactions? i tried calling rpc.gettransaction and processing the ['details']; after but it seemed like i'm going messing things up
152 2016-04-26T11:59:18 <hidden> incoming inputS*
153 2016-04-26T12:03:32 <murch> hidden: Often when you send you also create a change output that goes back to yourself, so I think you'd actually not have everything when you just get "receive"
154 2016-04-26T12:04:20 <murch> But I'm not sure about the details of how listtransactions returns the data from the top of my head
155 2016-04-26T12:04:34 <hidden> Just trying to record amounts received for each address
156 2016-04-26T12:06:28 <hidden> murch so recording "vout" will be helpful right
157 2016-04-26T12:06:36 <hidden> are vouts distinct?
158 2016-04-26T12:07:29 <murch> vout is the position of one output in the outputs of that transaction, so it's unique to the transaction
159 2016-04-26T12:08:51 <murch> hidden: I'm not sure I understand what exactly you're trying to do. I thought you wanted to keep track of the UTXO that concern you, if you only want to record what's going into an address that might be different.
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161 2016-04-26T12:09:32 <murch> I'm also more high level familiar with the behavior of the software, haven't mucked around in the sourcecode too much, so somebody else might be able to advise you better here.
162 2016-04-26T12:09:51 <hidden> yeah i'ma spend some more time playing with the testnet
163 2016-04-26T12:09:54 <hidden> it's a godsend :)
164 2016-04-26T12:10:02 <hidden> thanks for your help, really been helpful
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169 2016-04-26T12:15:12 <murch> hidden: Glad I could help
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176 2016-04-26T12:21:00 <hidden> yeah seems all i need to do is record vout from listtransactions alongside thanks!
177 2016-04-26T12:21:34 <murch> Yay. :)
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332 2016-04-26T23:47:29 <OiPolloi> Anyone here knows why I'm getting an error "64: too-long-mempool-chain" from bitcoind after I've sent a few transactions? I'm using testnet
333 2016-04-26T23:48:38 <dgenr8> murch: it's not possible to prove an output unspent, for the simple reason that it may be spent in the next instant
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337 2016-04-26T23:51:48 <luke-jr> OiPolloi: wait for them to confirm.
338 2016-04-26T23:52:02 <luke-jr> OiPolloi: if you have a lot of people to pay, send them all in a single transaction
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341 2016-04-26T23:53:04 <OiPolloi> luke-jr: is this a limit of bitcoind on my side or of the blockchain?
342 2016-04-26T23:53:20 <luke-jr> dgenr8: well, if we had UTXO commitments, it'd be possible to prove it hadn't been spent in the confirmed past
343 2016-04-26T23:53:37 <luke-jr> OiPolloi: bitcoind on your side
344 2016-04-26T23:53:47 <luke-jr> OiPolloi: but if you bypass it, everyone else will ignore your spam too
345 2016-04-26T23:53:59 <OiPolloi> mmmm... ok...
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349 2016-04-26T23:54:20 <luke-jr> (maybe it's not strictly spam, but gratuitous inefficiency is typically a factor to spam filtering)
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353 2016-04-26T23:59:22 <OiPolloi> thanks, maybe it's best then to keep payments and send them all together when I see a new block was mined