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125 2016-05-06T09:10:25 <xenog> I am looking for a patch that was mentioned to me by afk11 that avoids doing signature validation on transactions included in old blocks. I have been browsing GitHub looking for that pull request, but I cannot seem to find it. Would somebody here know what I am talking about and point me in the right direction?
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129 2016-05-06T09:18:52 <jonasschnelli> xenog: bitcoin-core does that already
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131 2016-05-06T09:19:51 <jonasschnelli> Or you can merge classics PR https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/143/files
132 2016-05-06T09:20:09 <jonasschnelli> Which essential is a drastic change in the security model (and not recommended)
133 2016-05-06T09:29:38 <xenog> jonasschnelli: I am using btcd at the moment, and I have been syncing the blockchain for a day and a half, and I am thinking why should it take so long if most of the blockchain is buried under so much proof-of-work that it isn't even funny.
134 2016-05-06T09:30:20 <jonasschnelli> xenog: verifying everything is bitcoin non-trust trust model
135 2016-05-06T09:31:17 <xenog> You tell me that Bitcoin Core does that already? by default?
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138 2016-05-06T09:32:55 <phantomcircuit> xenog, btcd is just slow
139 2016-05-06T09:33:36 <jonasschnelli> xenog: no. Bitcoin-Core does verify (almost) everything.
140 2016-05-06T09:33:53 <jonasschnelli> Bitcoin-Core can do a full sync on a modern system <3h.
141 2016-05-06T09:34:06 <jonasschnelli> xenog: how many RAM do you have?
142 2016-05-06T09:34:12 <xenog> jonasschnelli: 8 GiB.
143 2016-05-06T09:34:20 <jonasschnelli> CPU?
144 2016-05-06T09:34:24 <jonasschnelli> SSD?
145 2016-05-06T09:34:47 <xenog> jonasschnelli: SSD, Core i7-5600U.
146 2016-05-06T09:34:50 <jonasschnelli> you can pass `-dbcache=4000`
147 2016-05-06T09:34:58 <jonasschnelli> And you should be able to sync in about 4h.
148 2016-05-06T09:35:07 <jonasschnelli> (your system will essentially be unusable during this time)
149 2016-05-06T09:35:35 <jonasschnelli> make sure you use bitcoin-core > 0.12
150 2016-05-06T09:35:37 <xenog> jonasschnelli: thanks, I'm on that system right now.
151 2016-05-06T09:35:37 <jonasschnelli> >=
152 2016-05-06T09:35:50 <xenog> I'm looking for an address index.
153 2016-05-06T09:36:07 <jonasschnelli> I think there is an old PR for core.
154 2016-05-06T09:36:08 <xenog> I know there is btcdrak's implementation.
155 2016-05-06T09:36:27 <jonasschnelli> Right. Do you need an index for all addresses or just some you are interested in?
156 2016-05-06T09:36:31 <xenog> But in btcd it is integrated in the main codebase. I will test both.
157 2016-05-06T09:36:35 <xenog> All addresses.
158 2016-05-06T09:36:38 <jonasschnelli> address index requires a lot of space I guess.
159 2016-05-06T09:36:44 <xenog> I already developed something that allows me to index some.
160 2016-05-06T09:37:00 <jonasschnelli> Because you can use the wallet for that by using importaddress
161 2016-05-06T09:37:00 <xenog> I don't mind much about space, I can build the index then move it to external HDD.
162 2016-05-06T09:37:13 <jonasschnelli> sure
163 2016-05-06T09:37:51 <xenog> I am considering adding the option to Haskoin to use a full address index from either Bitcoin Core or btcd.
164 2016-05-06T09:39:27 <xenog> Since Bitcoin Core does not have one yet, then btcdrak's patch is something I will be looking at, but I started with btcd because I like the API.
165 2016-05-06T09:41:34 <jonasschnelli> xenog: hows the API different?
166 2016-05-06T09:42:40 <xenog> One WebSocket connection and JSON-RPC requests traveling back-and forth AFAIK.
167 2016-05-06T09:43:29 <xenog> (It was my friend who checked this for me, I haven't looked at the details yet)
168 2016-05-06T09:43:30 <jonasschnelli> xenog: traveling back-and forth?
169 2016-05-06T09:44:14 <jonasschnelli> WebSockets would make it difficult to use reverse proxies if you want to access your RPC server from a network with different security policies.
170 2016-05-06T09:44:20 <xenog> Well, if you have a websocket open with a server, you get notifications through that same socket.
171 2016-05-06T09:44:42 <jonasschnelli> Yes. This is nice.
172 2016-05-06T09:44:47 <xenog> I know Bitcoin Core has ZeroMQ these days, which is even better.
173 2016-05-06T09:44:50 <jonasschnelli> I have written a similar interface for that: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7949
174 2016-05-06T09:45:04 <jonasschnelli> Long Poll. You have the benefits of a WebSockets but not the downsided. :)
175 2016-05-06T09:45:35 <xenog> Yeah, long poll is kind of a hack though, I like it because it traverses proxies well.
176 2016-05-06T09:45:38 <jonasschnelli> ZMQ is nice. But one channel that solves both directions makes stuff much easier.
177 2016-05-06T09:45:59 <jonasschnelli> Long poll is not that hacky. Its also in use for Apples Push Notification Server.
178 2016-05-06T09:46:13 <jonasschnelli> IMO its very robust and surives tons of network connections.
179 2016-05-06T09:46:45 <xenog> I should take a look at that again.
180 2016-05-06T09:47:00 <xenog> ZeroMQ is great, but it isn't web-friendly.
181 2016-05-06T09:47:28 <xenog> AFAIK you cannot open ZeroMQ sockets from a JS app running on a browser (only from Node.js and such).
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183 2016-05-06T09:48:41 <jonasschnelli> ZeroMQ is more for local or LAN notifications.
184 2016-05-06T09:49:05 <jonasschnelli> The long poll PR would allow to connect a remote client (Smartphone or detatched GUI) over just one channel.
185 2016-05-06T09:49:09 <xenog> It works great on the Internet too, as long as you are not running on the web.
186 2016-05-06T09:49:22 <jonasschnelli> One could add a apache/nging reverse proxy with cert or http-digest auth.. done!
187 2016-05-06T09:49:39 <jonasschnelli> *nginx
188 2016-05-06T09:50:20 <xenog> I'll look at it, I hope it gets merged. ;)
189 2016-05-06T09:50:35 <xenog> Then it will make it to btcdrak's addrindex branch eventually.
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192 2016-05-06T09:52:15 <xenog> I would love to see address indices make it to Bitcoin Core. It's pretty essential to build wallets.
193 2016-05-06T09:53:29 <jonasschnelli> xenog: why is it essential?
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195 2016-05-06T09:53:46 <jonasschnelli> You can build a wallet by filtering blocks
196 2016-05-06T09:53:58 <xenog> It takes forever, the server has to scan the whole blockchain.
197 2016-05-06T09:54:01 <jonasschnelli> xenog: it would only be essential if you want to build a wallet centralized API
198 2016-05-06T09:54:02 <xenog> It is quite impractical.
199 2016-05-06T09:54:23 <xenog> Sure you can optimize by only scanning the blocks from which point your wallet was created, but that isn't helping when you have had a wallet for a year.
200 2016-05-06T09:54:43 <xenog> I like the idea of Bitcoin Core as a border router for the Bitcoin network.
201 2016-05-06T09:54:52 <jonasschnelli> If you havent used your SPV wallet for a year, it migh require 1-2 mins syncing. Right.
202 2016-05-06T09:55:04 <xenog> I install and sync it in some server, then I build clients that use it.
203 2016-05-06T09:55:17 <jonasschnelli> But the address index would introduce serval security risks.
204 2016-05-06T09:55:28 <xenog> Maybe my Haskoin code is too slow, because it requires a tad more than 1-2 minutes.
205 2016-05-06T09:55:56 <jonasschnelli> It depends on the node you are connected to and your network connection
206 2016-05-06T09:56:15 <jonasschnelli> But you essentially filter 6*24*365 blocks...
207 2016-05-06T09:56:31 <jonasschnelli> which is mostly CPU/disk work for you node you requesting the filtered blocks from
208 2016-05-06T09:56:53 <xenog> We are talking 50 GiB of block data for a year of full blocks, which is an upper-bound.
209 2016-05-06T09:57:23 <jonasschnelli> Yes. I agree it's not an ideal modal.
210 2016-05-06T09:57:31 <xenog> It is CPU/disk work (not much CPU since murmur3 is quite lightweight) for the node, but it still takes time.
211 2016-05-06T09:57:41 <xenog> It doesn't help if you want to run a stateless wallet for example.
212 2016-05-06T09:58:25 <xenog> Maybe something over the web that you may want to sync as quickly as possible.
213 2016-05-06T09:58:30 <jonasschnelli> xenog: right. But an address index would require to fully trust the node you are connected to. Similar then electrums/stratums model
214 2016-05-06T09:58:47 <xenog> Well, Stratum gives you merkle proofs if you want them, same as Bitcoin Core.
215 2016-05-06T09:59:12 <jonasschnelli> Right. But still you should connect to serval nodes to make sure your not censored
216 2016-05-06T09:59:32 <xenog> So say you sync the header chain, which doesn't take up much space, and then you get the transactions with corresponding merkle proofs, you are at the SPV level at that point.
217 2016-05-06T10:00:07 <jonasschnelli> What if your nodes doesnt pass you a specific transaction (hold back / censor)?
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219 2016-05-06T10:00:13 <xenog> Sure, there is still the possibility of getting isolated.
220 2016-05-06T10:00:33 <xenog> Yeah, that has happened to me in testnet. I have missed confirmations for transactions.
221 2016-05-06T10:00:45 <jonasschnelli> censor resistance is important IMO. This is why I don't like SPV that much.
222 2016-05-06T10:00:51 <xenog> Some nodes did not update their internal merkle filter fast enough or something.
223 2016-05-06T10:01:54 <jonasschnelli> My favorite setup is: 1) trusted Core node with wallet, 2) remote client connected over RPC/TLS, 3) Core runs watch only wallet, 4) remote clients gets transactions over RPC, has privkeys locally and does signing there.
224 2016-05-06T10:02:20 <jonasschnelli> The trusted core node could be a 50$ device next to your home WiFi router.
225 2016-05-06T10:04:55 <xenog> I prefer: indexing node without wallet, clients connect over RPC. Node is not concerned with state pertaining to wallets that use it.
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227 2016-05-06T10:07:38 <jonasschnelli> xenog: Address index would require tons of space and your indexing probably 95% of data that will never be retrived.
228 2016-05-06T10:07:54 <jonasschnelli> The 50$ device could run in pruning mode and require <3GB space
229 2016-05-06T10:08:19 <jonasschnelli> But right,.. it would track state.
230 2016-05-06T10:08:29 <jonasschnelli> It's like your "bank at home".
231 2016-05-06T10:09:05 <xenog> I can make a node public over a "safe" RPC interface creating a network of nodes a-la Stratum that provide indexing services. Those are the border routers to the Bitcoin network.
232 2016-05-06T10:10:52 <xenog> Another alternative is exposing an optional address index via Bitcoin protocol, and optionally being able to connect to it via WebSocket. That would even allow web wallets to become P2P capable.
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234 2016-05-06T10:18:58 <xenog> Anyway jonasschnelli, thank you for the info!
235 2016-05-06T10:19:39 <jonasschnelli> xenog: Thanks for the chat and you infos! Seems you are also interested in the "perfect" wallet use-case.
236 2016-05-06T10:20:04 <xenog> jonasschnelli: I'm one of the authors of Haskoin, the Haskell wallet.
237 2016-05-06T10:20:30 <xenog> jonasschnelli: I'm always looking for the best way to do it.
238 2016-05-06T10:21:30 <xenog> jonasschnelli: all security, usability, speed, scalability, realibility. Somehow it seems that today one has to choose some among those. I would like to have everything.
239 2016-05-06T10:21:45 <jonasschnelli> yes. Indeed!
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