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198 2016-06-03T09:55:19 <renlord> hi, I've got a question related to the implementation of reject messages implemented in Core. I am curious why is a reject message not sent when a conflict tx is relayed to a node? I didn't quite follow the comment in the code.
199 2016-06-03T09:57:14 <phantomcircuit> renlord, only if you take altcoins off your linkedin
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201 2016-06-03T09:58:59 <renlord> uh ok.
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205 2016-06-03T10:00:33 <renlord> Done. :/
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217 2016-06-03T10:09:18 <phantomcircuit> renlord, that was a joke
218 2016-06-03T10:09:27 <phantomcircuit> renlord, where in main.cpp?
219 2016-06-03T10:10:15 <renlord> 4779 ~ 4781
220 2016-06-03T10:10:36 <renlord> checks explicitly if the state is greater than CONFLICT_INTERNAL
221 2016-06-03T10:11:01 <renlord> *REJECT_INTERNAL
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234 2016-06-03T10:34:59 <phantomcircuit> renlord, mempools contents are supposed to be confidential
235 2016-06-03T10:35:04 <phantomcircuit> renlord, a reject would leak that
236 2016-06-03T10:35:07 <phantomcircuit> so
237 2016-06-03T10:35:09 <phantomcircuit> no response
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240 2016-06-03T10:37:45 <renlord> why should mempool contents be confidential? and if that is the case why do we have a "mempool" message then?
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246 2016-06-03T10:53:54 <phantomcircuit> renlord, there shouldn't be a mempool command
247 2016-06-03T10:54:12 <phantomcircuit> it was merged by someone who has not contributed anything in literally years
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251 2016-06-03T11:00:50 <renlord> oh, how interesting. So the mempool protocol message is just left there for legacy purposes?
252 2016-06-03T11:00:59 <renlord> and by design, it was never meant to be there at the first place?
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255 2016-06-03T11:03:09 <phantomcircuit> renlord, each nodes mempool is unique basically
256 2016-06-03T11:03:20 <phantomcircuit> you'll get different answers on this if you ask different people
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271 2016-06-03T12:00:56 <renlord> is it possible for a mempool to store conflicting transactions? I built a custom node that talks the Bitcoin protocol and probed some nodes with mempool messages and what I got was that some nodes stored conflicting txs in their mempools, especially nodes with BTCC as their user agent. Just wondering if this is possible or I've got a bug somewhere.
272 2016-06-03T12:02:03 <phantomcircuit> renlord, yes but i dont really see why
273 2016-06-03T12:02:15 <phantomcircuit> the goal for the mempool is to match what miners will actually mine
274 2016-06-03T12:02:44 <phantomcircuit> renlord, oh if you're asking whether current node software does that
275 2016-06-03T12:02:47 <phantomcircuit> no it does not
276 2016-06-03T12:03:17 <phantomcircuit> uh you mean conflicting results in the response from the same node or from different nodes?
277 2016-06-03T12:03:26 <renlord> same node.
278 2016-06-03T12:03:44 <renlord> 12.99 and 12.1 nodes seem to return mempools containing conflicting transactions
279 2016-06-03T12:03:55 <renlord> Satoshi's
280 2016-06-03T12:04:05 <phantomcircuit> that shouldn't be possible
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282 2016-06-03T12:04:12 <phantomcircuit> 12.99 means they built the client themselves
283 2016-06-03T12:04:19 <phantomcircuit> so who knows what kind of crazy patches there are
284 2016-06-03T12:04:39 <phantomcircuit> but really nodes on the network can use whatever insane logic they want to setup their mempool
285 2016-06-03T12:04:57 <phantomcircuit> i have 8 nodes which reject transactions that dont start with 00-08
286 2016-06-03T12:05:08 <phantomcircuit> (ie node 0 requires 0, 1 1, 2 2, etc)
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288 2016-06-03T12:05:49 <renlord> og ok
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290 2016-06-03T12:06:01 <renlord> Classic nodes, i know for sure dont accept RBF transactions
291 2016-06-03T12:12:57 <phantomcircuit> shrug
292 2016-06-03T12:13:04 <phantomcircuit> they're not run by real users
293 2016-06-03T12:13:42 <phantomcircuit> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1399908.0
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296 2016-06-03T12:14:28 <renlord> oh lol
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302 2016-06-03T12:35:54 <renlord> the results i got from testnet is a lot more conformant to expectations. Mainnet is all over the place
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304 2016-06-03T12:43:42 <renlord> phantomcircuit, are transactions inserted and removed from mempool atomically when new potentially conflicting transactions arrive?
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306 2016-06-03T12:44:22 <renlord> could that explain why I could see conflicting transactions in inv replies when i sent out mempool messages
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415 2016-06-03T20:42:47 <Hillary_Clinton> hi how did the bitcoin foundation members meet?
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417 2016-06-03T20:48:57 <luke-jr> Hillary_Clinton: off-topic; the Bitcoin Foundation has nothing to do with Bitcoin development.
418 2016-06-03T20:50:13 <Hillary_Clinton> luke-jr: ok
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458 2016-06-03T23:50:39 <adiabat> Hi - I've got a questions about OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY
459 2016-06-03T23:51:12 <adiabat> I'm looking at the cpp code but I'm not super familiar with it so figured I'd ask here -
460 2016-06-03T23:51:21 <adiabat> does the argument to OP_CSV have to be 4 bytes long?
461 2016-06-03T23:52:17 <luke-jr> adiabat: I would *expect* it needs to be the shortest length for the given number.
462 2016-06-03T23:52:49 <adiabat> ok; for seconds-based, it'd have to be 3 bytes
463 2016-06-03T23:53:07 <luke-jr> would it?
464 2016-06-03T23:53:16 <adiabat> or maybe 4? because you have to assert bit 23
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466 2016-06-03T23:53:23 <adiabat> err 22
467 2016-06-03T23:53:45 <adiabat> but for block-height based, bit 31 is 0, and bit 22 is also 0
468 2016-06-03T23:54:52 <adiabat> the nSequence field itself is always fixed at 4 bytes, so I wasn't sure if the comparison also wants the top item of the stack to be 4 bytes. I know it checks for 5 bytes maximum.
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