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 54 2016-06-28T07:02:08  <ChoHag> Does bitcoin use relative paths anywhere?
 55 2016-06-28T07:02:16  <ChoHag> ie. will a chdir() cause problems?
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 73 2016-06-28T08:21:15  <maaku> Can whoever is running mining nodes on testnet with segwit enabled turn it off? you're breaking testnet for a ton of applications
 74 2016-06-28T08:21:21  <maaku> There's a segnet for testing segwit stuff.
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 79 2016-06-28T09:18:37  <btcdrak> maaku: segwit is active now on testnet. Just install bitcoin/master.
 80 2016-06-28T09:19:04  <btcdrak> it was activated a long time ago.
 81 2016-06-28T09:19:22  <btcdrak> maaku: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0009/assignments.mediawiki
 82 2016-06-28T09:20:15  <p15> so the problem is not enough miners mining it maybe
 83 2016-06-28T09:20:26  <p15> does the master branch reflect this BIP?
 84 2016-06-28T09:21:03  <btcdrak> p15: master has BIP141, 143, 144, 152
 85 2016-06-28T09:23:02  <p15> yeah this suggests it was started https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f8528134fc188abc5c7175a19680206964a8fade
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 87 2016-06-28T09:27:18  <btcdrak> p15: maaku: https://bitcoincore.org/en/meetings/2016/05/05/#meeting-conclusion
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 90 2016-06-28T09:38:39  <ChoHag> I just pushed PR 8278 which forks the daemon correctly. I also wrote a patch on top of it to (optionally) use syslog. Should I wait for the first PR to be included or create a second PR even though it includes the (not strictly related) changes from the first?
 91 2016-06-28T09:39:48  <ChoHag> The actual changes in the syslog patch are visible at https://github.com/ChoHag/bitcoin/commit/f237e2fd41a0f0da44d6fcb56f93b813e3162c50
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107 2016-06-28T11:45:26  <maaku> btcdrak that is not in any released version of bitcoind
108 2016-06-28T11:45:47  <btcdrak> maaku: so?
109 2016-06-28T11:46:03  <btcdrak> the Bitcoin consensus rules are not linked to specific releases.
110 2016-06-28T11:46:09  <btcdrak> or implementations
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112 2016-06-28T11:52:10  <maaku> Release code often is. E.g. products that pull gitian built binaries.
113 2016-06-28T11:52:21  <maaku> In this case we have test infrastructure failing due to using gitian binaries that are apparently out of date.
114 2016-06-28T11:52:43  <maaku> Activation on testnet before release was a horrible idea.
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117 2016-06-28T12:01:52  <btcdrak> maaku: it was critical to test running a mixed upgraded non-upgraded network as well as the transition to segwit from nonsegwit.
118 2016-06-28T12:03:19  <maaku> Not a very useful or comparable test to do it without a release :/
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124 2016-06-28T12:31:12  <btcdrak> maaku: might be good to read over the weekly meeting summaries in future then you wont get surprises and have a chance to speak out
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127 2016-06-28T12:42:22  <sdaftuar> btcdrak: maaku
128 2016-06-28T12:42:25  <sdaftuar> whoops
129 2016-06-28T12:42:29  <btcdrak> :)
130 2016-06-28T12:42:42  <sdaftuar> btcdrak: maaku: seems like it'd be useful to understand what is breaking on testnet...
131 2016-06-28T12:43:21  <sdaftuar> wasn't the assumption that activation shoulnd't break anything?
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145 2016-06-28T13:32:56  <maaku> sdaftuar: segwit supporting hashrate on testnet regularly drops below 50%
146 2016-06-28T13:34:17  <maaku> which result in very long reorgs (for unupgraded clients)
147 2016-06-28T13:34:33  <maaku> i wouldn't be complaining about that except that the most recent released version of bitcoind doesn't contain segwit!
148 2016-06-28T13:35:28  <sdaftuar> huh...  i had noticed problems for *upgraded* clients not being able to download blocks (because of not having enough segwit peers), but i was unaware of any issues for unupgraded clients.
149 2016-06-28T13:35:38  <sdaftuar> what's the cause of the reorgs?  the new blocks and old block should both be valid
150 2016-06-28T13:35:42  <sdaftuar> blocks*
151 2016-06-28T13:36:03  <sdaftuar> oh, is the issue that when segwit miners start up, they're orphaning the old chain?
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154 2016-06-28T13:37:34  <maaku> yes
155 2016-06-28T13:38:22  <maaku> so `bitcoind -testnet` on most recent gitian builds results in >100 block reorgs with some frequency
156 2016-06-28T13:38:22  <sdaftuar> ah ok, yeah that is pretty annoying
157 2016-06-28T13:38:48  <sdaftuar> for a while i was running patched code to bridge the two networks, but i guess i took that down at some point
158 2016-06-28T13:39:04  <sdaftuar> (ie pass blocks from old miners to segwit-nodes)
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162 2016-06-28T13:54:36  <petertodd> btw, I wrote up a code review report on the consensus-critical parts of segwit: https://petertodd.org/2016/segwit-consensus-critical-code-review
163 2016-06-28T13:58:15  <sdaftuar> petertodd: i just skimmed, nice writeup.  can you paste the specific issue you noted with the mempool to github?
164 2016-06-28T13:58:22  <sdaftuar> i think you're right...
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166 2016-06-28T14:00:24  <petertodd> sdaftuar: you mean, open an issue for it?
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168 2016-06-28T14:00:43  <petertodd> sdaftuar: I commented on the github pull-req with it
169 2016-06-28T14:00:51  <petertodd> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8149#issuecomment-229052191
170 2016-06-28T14:01:25  <sdaftuar> yeah i meant either open an issue, or put a comment in the line of code in the PR so the specific detail isn't lost
171 2016-06-28T14:02:38  <sdaftuar> i suspect most people will read your "utACK" and not notice your "Note that we may have an issue..."
172 2016-06-28T14:06:17  <petertodd> sdaftuar: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8279
173 2016-06-28T14:06:31  <sdaftuar> petertodd: thanks!
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180 2016-06-28T14:32:21  <ChoHag> So I wrote a syslog interface (with accompanying -syslog switch) to replace the fprintf lines when daemonising, and only after that found the LogPrint* functions (AndOnThatNoteI'dJustLikeToTakeThisOpportunityToSayFuckCamelCase).
181 2016-06-28T14:33:07  <ChoHag> Obviously I'll change my syslog code to work with the existing log functions but syslog() expects complete messages without a \n, whereas LogPrint* are currently print partial messages or complete messages *with* a \n.
182 2016-06-28T14:34:25  <ChoHag> Thoughts on how to do this? Is setting up a rolling buffer too much work (and prone to failure)? There are lot of LogPrint* calls though only 30-odd which lack a \n.
183 2016-06-28T14:34:52  <ChoHag> I dislike unmanaged log files intensely.
184 2016-06-28T14:35:12  <katu_> i dont think you'll hit blocking on the syslog pipe
185 2016-06-28T14:36:09  <ChoHag> Right but how to deal with existing logging which includes the superfluous \n or assumes it's writing to a file and uses multiple sequential calls to create a whole line.
186 2016-06-28T14:36:35  <katu_> if its just for personal use, i'd just strip the \n's
187 2016-06-28T14:37:04  <ChoHag> Well I'd rather not have to maintain my own patches if I can get them merged into mainline.
188 2016-06-28T14:37:46  <katu_> i mean the last \n
189 2016-06-28T14:37:57  <katu_> the interim \ns will work, even if its undefined for syslog
190 2016-06-28T14:38:05  <katu_> some deamons *may* butcher it
191 2016-06-28T14:38:36  <katu_> but in most likelyhood you'll see the line as is
192 2016-06-28T14:38:48  <katu_> that is <timestamp> blabla\nblablasamelogentryline2\n....
193 2016-06-28T14:39:50  <katu_> ChoHag: in that case think of something systematic. syslog cant deal with newlines in defined manner. so fix all the LogPrints :(
194 2016-06-28T14:39:57  <katu_> that is one call, one line.
195 2016-06-28T14:40:30  <ChoHag> Bleh.
196 2016-06-28T14:40:38  <katu_> yeah, sounds tedious
197 2016-06-28T14:40:47  <katu_> you *could* split the buffer
198 2016-06-28T14:40:52  <ChoHag> That's also bleh.
199 2016-06-28T14:41:04  <ChoHag> In fact I can't think of anything which isn't.
200 2016-06-28T14:41:04  <katu_> and while an elegant hack, its even more bleh because spooky indeed.
201 2016-06-28T14:41:20  <ChoHag> Quite. I like the idea of bitcoin aiming to be bullshit-free.
202 2016-06-28T14:42:14  <katu_> just ask on ml/open issue with question about this. im sure people will be happy about syslog interface
203 2016-06-28T14:42:16  * katu_ missed it too
204 2016-06-28T14:44:20  <ChoHag> Yay another mailing list!
205 2016-06-28T14:45:10  <ChoHag> How does activity compare between IRC and the list?
206 2016-06-28T14:45:15  <ChoHag> Which one is closer to being "official"?
207 2016-06-28T14:45:46  <katu_> list is eventual later reply, irc is sooner or never
208 2016-06-28T14:46:20  <katu_> most people bring changes like that directly to github, though its fine if youre not comfortable with that
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210 2016-06-28T14:49:20  <katu_> ChoHag: i think that most pointed out issue will be: the text files must remain *exactly* the same
211 2016-06-28T14:49:43  <katu_> so the logprint conversions will have to be rather careful, especially if the buffer is constructed somewhere (god i hope not!)
212 2016-06-28T14:49:43  <ChoHag> People parse debug.log programmatically?
213 2016-06-28T14:49:45  <ChoHag> Le sigh.
214 2016-06-28T14:49:51  <katu_> ChoHag: testing tools.
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216 2016-06-28T14:50:40  <ChoHag> I'll bear that in mind.
217 2016-06-28T14:51:02  <ChoHag> Currently looking for the mailing list signup and discuss there.
218 2016-06-28T14:51:22  <sdaftuar> ChoHag: i suggest bringing this up on either #bitcoin-core-dev (which has more bitcoin core specific implementation discussions), or open an issue on github
219 2016-06-28T14:51:27  <katu_> also search archives in all places, that is github, ml, possibly irc logs
220 2016-06-28T14:51:28  <ChoHag> Well actually I'm going through today's dose of email bullshit.
221 2016-06-28T14:51:41  <ChoHag> There's another dev channel?
222 2016-06-28T14:52:12  <sdaftuar> ChoHag: yes, #bitcoin-core-dev is where bitcoin-core-specific implementation discussions happen
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224 2016-06-28T14:53:52  <sdaftuar> ChoHag: opening a github issue is my next suggestion though, if no one happens to be responding on IRC at the moment
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226 2016-06-28T14:59:37  <ChoHag> Where's the mailing list?
227 2016-06-28T14:59:56  <ChoHag> I see https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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230 2016-06-28T15:01:17  <wumpus> if you use a mailing list for implementation specific issues like this, you should use the bitcoin-core-dev mailing list, the bitcoin-dev is for discussion of network-wide issues
231 2016-06-28T15:01:30  <wumpus> (same for IRC channels, btw)
232 2016-06-28T15:02:59  <wumpus> a -syslog option sounds good to me, but please don't go changing around all LogPrint(f)s, if you need per-line buffering, just buffer a line before emitting to syslog
233 2016-06-28T15:03:18  <ChoHag> wumpus: The exact opposite of the previous suggestion. :)
234 2016-06-28T15:03:40  <wumpus> we prefer local changes
235 2016-06-28T15:04:04  <ChoHag> I'm definitely in favour of incremental improvment over wholesale change.
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237 2016-06-28T15:04:22  <wumpus> something overhaulilng the LogPrintfs will take a long time to be merged, if ever, as people will have different ideas about which logging interface is better
238 2016-06-28T15:04:29  <ChoHag> In this case it conflicts with minimising bullshit though, hence why I'm after opinions.
239 2016-06-28T15:04:50  <wumpus> so I'd recommend something that only touches util.cpp
240 2016-06-28T15:06:15  <katu_> well, it is only for debugging after all
241 2016-06-28T15:07:09  <ChoHag> wumpus: Is that the correct URL for the ML interface?
242 2016-06-28T15:07:24  <wumpus> no, that's for bitcoin-dev, you need bitcoinc-core-dev
243 2016-06-28T15:07:31  <wumpus> bitcoin-core-dev
244 2016-06-28T15:08:01  <ChoHag> Right. YEs.
245 2016-06-28T15:08:41  <ChoHag> So bitcoin-dev is for development of bitcoin, bitcoin-core-dev is for development of the Core implementation of bitcoin?
246 2016-06-28T15:08:54  <ChoHag> With a large amount of overlap, obviously.
247 2016-06-28T15:09:01  <wumpus> yes
248 2016-06-28T15:16:26  <ChoHag> Well that list's busy.
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259 2016-06-28T16:03:56  <wumpus> it isn't, almost all development related discussion happens on IRC and github
260 2016-06-28T16:04:04  <wumpus> mailling list is mostly used for announcements
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265 2016-06-28T16:27:48  <mappum> why do some blocks on mainnet set BIP9 bits that aren't associated with any deployments? for example, see the block at height 414018
266 2016-06-28T16:27:56  <mappum> bits 0, 1, and 2 are set
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270 2016-06-28T16:48:32  <phantomcircuit> mappum, silly people doing silly things
271 2016-06-28T16:48:33  <phantomcircuit> ignore
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357 2016-06-28T22:36:43  <deego> Is it safe to simply re-use the blocks/ and chainstate/ directories when moving from wallet A to wallet B?  Not even make copies. Simply move them around from one .bitcoin to another?
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365 2016-06-28T23:05:41  <midnightmagic> deego: if you have completely shut down your bitcoind, and it's the same machine, it's probably okay. I will often sync to head on one machine, then shut down and transfer state to a weaker machine.
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368 2016-06-28T23:07:24  <deego> midnightmagic: thanks
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370 2016-06-28T23:10:41  <midnightmagic> deego: I don't know if you can change endianness though. I think I had trouble with that.
371 2016-06-28T23:12:15  <deego> midnightmagic: i'm quite lost now. do I need to change endianness?
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373 2016-06-28T23:14:01  <midnightmagic> deego: No. I'm saying I don't think you can change endianness.
374 2016-06-28T23:14:19  <midnightmagic> And I don't think you can even change arch: like i386 => x64
375 2016-06-28T23:14:44  <deego> ah. so, chainstate/ and blocks/ can't be moved around to different machines.
376 2016-06-28T23:14:47  <midnightmagic> hrm. But I wonder if you can dump/restore the db..
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378 2016-06-28T23:15:03  <midnightmagic> deego: They can be if everything important is the same and it's the same bitcoin version
379 2016-06-28T23:15:05  <deego> When would they ever change endianness? when you move them across architectures?
380 2016-06-28T23:15:35  <midnightmagic> Yeah. So little- to big-endian via e.g. wumpus' big-endian branch which I don't know if it's been merged yet.
381 2016-06-28T23:15:46  <deego> ah
382 2016-06-28T23:16:58  <deego> thanks a lot. midnightmagic++
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388 2016-06-28T23:48:50  <hidden> Hello, I could not find an option to list address's which i have generated using the "getnewaddress" rpc call. Thought there might be an option, as "Receiving addresses" tab in the bitcoin core client does exactly this, returns the address's.
389 2016-06-28T23:48:58  <hidden> Am i missing something, or does it not exist?
390 2016-06-28T23:49:47  <hidden> These address's have no accounts linked. I did compile an array while generating but was interrupted. Would like to know if there are any calls before i spend time working around.
391 2016-06-28T23:51:10  <moli> hidden, ask in #bitcoin
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