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5 2016-06-29T00:12:17 <hidden> no one knows
6 2016-06-29T00:12:25 <hidden> i guess developers are clueless too
7 2016-06-29T00:12:44 <hidden> i'll just use the export option
8 2016-06-29T00:12:49 <hidden> :(
9 2016-06-29T00:13:40 <kadoban> hidden: This channel isn't really used anymore.
10 2016-06-29T00:14:39 <hidden> :/
11 2016-06-29T00:16:24 <kadoban> hidden: #bitcoin is the better bet
12 2016-06-29T00:18:37 <hidden> no luck :(, the rpc call would have returned data very large to process too, i think i'll manually just process the "comma seperated file" bitcoin core allows to generate
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37 2016-06-29T02:49:28 <mappum> `
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45 2016-06-29T03:53:42 <midnightmagic> This channel *could* be used again if the reason why it stopped being used were *corrected* the way it should've been years ago.
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47 2016-06-29T03:57:15 <Raccoon> What happened to this channel?
48 2016-06-29T03:57:40 <Raccoon> does gavin no longer keep us entertained with meaningful discussion?
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54 2016-06-29T04:09:42 <midnightmagic> Well, one day Hearn was Hearning, and when people told him to stop Hearning, and he wouldn't, one of the devs +q'd him. Then a moment later jgarzik op'd up with his +F and undid the +q. And then because nobody likes being one-up'd by an extortionist in the channel and nanotube didn't notice the breach soon enough, they *instantly* all left to make -core-dev and now nobody uses this channel
55 2016-06-29T04:09:48 <midnightmagic> anymore.
56 2016-06-29T04:10:34 <midnightmagic> Correcting it would be simple, of course, by editing the access list, but who wants to step in front of that train?
57 2016-06-29T04:11:04 <midnightmagic> So it's just some lame mothballs, crater'd example of why sociopathic bullshit ties everyone's hands behind their back.
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59 2016-06-29T04:12:42 <midnightmagic> And a good lesson in how criminals make everyone's lives harder because nobody is willing to sink to the level of criminals and do criminal things the way the criminals do them.
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71 2016-06-29T05:47:39 <deego> haha, thanks for the story
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76 2016-06-29T06:15:38 <Raccoon> And that's why I don't release +F to anyone, because who the F knows what drama happens 10 years later
77 2016-06-29T06:16:40 <Raccoon> I'm the most detached and antidramatic person I know
78 2016-06-29T06:28:40 <phantomcircuit> why am i even here
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83 2016-06-29T06:35:25 <deego> o_O
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87 2016-06-29T07:12:40 <Raccoon> heh gmaxwell comes n goes
88 2016-06-29T07:14:09 <midnightmagic> :-/
89 2016-06-29T07:14:48 <wumpus> yes, that's bigendian patch went in
90 2016-06-29T07:14:52 <wumpus> -'s
91 2016-06-29T07:15:48 <midnightmagic> ah, thanks wumpus. Presumably the on-disk db aren't endian-agnostic.
92 2016-06-29T07:16:05 <wumpus> I think they are?
93 2016-06-29T07:16:12 <wumpus> did many tests back then
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95 2016-06-29T07:17:06 <wumpus> at least the block index and utxo database and the wallet should be endian agnostic - I don't know about peers.dat etc
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98 2016-06-29T07:28:18 <midnightmagic> deego: ^^ there you go.
99 2016-06-29T07:29:22 <wumpus> then again, who in their sane mind is using big endian these days?
100 2016-06-29T07:30:06 <deego> midnightmagic:, wumpus: ah, thanks
101 2016-06-29T07:31:03 <deego> sha512?
102 2016-06-29T07:31:10 <midnightmagic> might be some HP-UX leftovers.. uh.. or maybe PPC is coming back with the raptor engineering servers.
103 2016-06-29T07:32:00 <wumpus> they might :)
104 2016-06-29T07:32:37 <deego> also, Q: Why is little endian considered better?
105 2016-06-29T07:33:04 <midnightmagic> it's not.
106 2016-06-29T07:33:15 <wumpus> it's not *better*, it just won the (arbitrary) symmetry breaking
107 2016-06-29T07:33:36 <deego> :D
108 2016-06-29T07:34:42 <midnightmagic> Oh, interesting. Power is bi-endian now?
109 2016-06-29T07:35:25 <deego> Doesn't big endian seem more natural? With larger bytes going to the left? ABCD -> AB, CD ?
110 2016-06-29T07:35:38 <midnightmagic> Does to humans.
111 2016-06-29T07:36:14 <wumpus> same as with e.g. left/right chirality of molecules in nature, or matter/antimatter, the choice in itself doesn't matter, but taking away a possible source of conflict does, it's just more pleasant if everyone uses the same
112 2016-06-29T07:36:32 <deego> true
113 2016-06-29T07:37:16 <wumpus> that said, my primary motivation for doing the big-endian compatibility patch was that it improved the code, by generalizing out hacky constructs
114 2016-06-29T07:37:26 <midnightmagic> wumpus: Tell Raptor Engineering that Bitcoin needs them to hurry up and build their machine already.
115 2016-06-29T07:38:00 <wumpus> deego: what about middle endian! ABCD -> BA, DC
116 2016-06-29T07:38:19 <midnightmagic> auugh he said the word
117 2016-06-29T07:38:30 <deego> :)
118 2016-06-29T07:40:33 <wumpus> the nice thing about little endian (and I think the only nice thing) is that you can do a smaller read on a larger value and you get the lower-end bits, thus more what you expect when casting
119 2016-06-29T07:41:11 <wumpus> with big-endian you'd need to use offsets to accomplish the same
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121 2016-06-29T07:46:55 <deego> idgi (as usual :D)
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187 2016-06-29T15:08:36 <Chris_Stewart_5> When a node sends you a `getheaders` network message, does that message also contain the headers that the node currently has?
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190 2016-06-29T15:21:08 <sdaftuar> Chris_Stewart_5: the getheaders message includes a list of blockhashes that describe your chain; there's a description on the bitcoin wiki
191 2016-06-29T15:23:58 <Chris_Stewart_5> sdaftuar: I was reading this https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#getheaders , but it didn't seem completely apparent to me
192 2016-06-29T15:25:20 <Chris_Stewart_5> Saying it 'requests' headers doesn't make it completely apparent that it actually transmits headers in its payload as well
193 2016-06-29T15:25:50 <sdaftuar> yeah i think that documentation could be improved; try reading this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#getblocks
194 2016-06-29T15:26:04 <sdaftuar> the block locator hashes used in the getblocks command are the same as getheaders
195 2016-06-29T15:26:41 <Chris_Stewart_5> Thanks.
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237 2016-06-29T19:03:17 <Vainglory> I'm getting a null hash from AbstractBlockChain and a Wallet/chain height mismatch: -1 vs 0 - how can i figure out where this is coming from?
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