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 74 2016-08-17T08:00:54  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: Does *any* other software use URI schemes strictly as an API between software?
 75 2016-08-17T08:01:19  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: most iOS/Android app does.
 76 2016-08-17T08:01:35  <jonasschnelli> http://wiki.akosma.com/IPhone_URL_Schemes
 77 2016-08-17T08:01:40  <luke-jr> weird.
 78 2016-08-17T08:01:55  <luke-jr> I don't think there's even a standard for doing it on GNU/Linux
 79 2016-08-17T08:02:10  <jonasschnelli> Facebook: fb://event/(fbid)/members/attending
 80 2016-08-17T08:02:20  <luke-jr> that's not IPC…
 81 2016-08-17T08:03:12  <luke-jr> that's actually using URIs correctly, as a way to indicate resources :p
 82 2016-08-17T08:03:13  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr Not sure if it counts as IPC.. probably not. Its just a way how application in a sandboxed enviromnent can interact with each other.
 83 2016-08-17T08:03:27  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: but there are applications that do bi-directional communication with URIs?
 84 2016-08-17T08:03:50  <jonasschnelli> I'm pretty sure, but I don't have an example/use-case
 85 2016-08-17T08:04:42  <jonasschnelli> It's basically: wallet) "I have a unsigned transaction, who wants to sign it over bitcoinsign://"?
 86 2016-08-17T08:04:44  <jonasschnelli> , signing device) "thanks, signed,... I have a signed transaction, who wants it bitcoinsignresponse://
 87 2016-08-17T08:05:11  <jonasschnelli> (the BIP makes "bitcoinsignresponse://" configurable over the first URI scheme.
 88 2016-08-17T08:05:25  <jonasschnelli> Which seems to be a good design IMO
 89 2016-08-17T08:05:36  <jonasschnelli> the problems are more when to timeout, etc.
 90 2016-08-17T08:05:58  <jonasschnelli> key-advantages: app do not know each other, there is no configuration required on app level
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 93 2016-08-17T08:13:50  <jonasschnelli> luke-jr: URL Handling on Posix should work fine. Its supported since Qt4.2 (http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qdesktopservices.html) which means it must be available in most (all) Linux WMs.
 94 2016-08-17T08:14:21  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: yeah, was just reading about xdg-open ☺
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114 2016-08-17T10:03:39  <luke-jr> jl2012: the DROP isn't needed except for cleanstack. which IMO is an argument against cleanstack :p
115 2016-08-17T10:06:23  <jl2012> luke-jr: no, in your example, the CHECKSIG will treat the <num> as the signature
116 2016-08-17T10:06:40  <luke-jr> oh, right you are
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162 2016-08-17T14:19:03  <venzen> i'm implementing jonasschnelli's Encrypted channels and peer Auth in python.
163 2016-08-17T14:19:16  <jonasschnelli> venzen: +1
164 2016-08-17T14:19:29  <venzen> what is meant by "standard ECC keypair" (for Auth)?
165 2016-08-17T14:19:36  <venzen> hi jonasschnelli
166 2016-08-17T14:19:49  <jonasschnelli> a normal ECC private key and the according public key.
167 2016-08-17T14:20:09  <venzen> is that ECDSA, perhaps?
168 2016-08-17T14:20:14  <jonasschnelli> ECC (elliptic curve crypto.)
169 2016-08-17T14:20:52  <venzen> ok, i'm having some problems finding a library (python) that will yield a 64bit key
170 2016-08-17T14:21:09  <jonasschnelli> The private key is 32bit
171 2016-08-17T14:21:46  <jonasschnelli> But the public key should be 65bytes... I guess.
172 2016-08-17T14:21:58  <jonasschnelli> ah.. wait. 33 bytes.
173 2016-08-17T14:22:12  <jonasschnelli> venzen: where does it say 64bit?
174 2016-08-17T14:22:16  <venzen> aha, and we want to put the receiver's pubkey in AuthChallenge
175 2016-08-17T14:22:21  <venzen> let me have a look
176 2016-08-17T14:23:05  <venzen> he, it doesn't say that :) 64bits is the signature
177 2016-08-17T14:23:17  <jonasschnelli> yes. Signatures are 64bits
178 2016-08-17T14:23:21  <jonasschnelli> We don't use DER there.
179 2016-08-17T14:23:37  <jonasschnelli> Just plain compact normalized ECDSA signatures
180 2016-08-17T14:23:51  <venzen> also, i'm saying bits, i mean bytes
181 2016-08-17T14:23:56  <jonasschnelli> Though, if your library spits out DER, you can convert it to a compact signature of 64 bytes
182 2016-08-17T14:25:48  <venzen> ok, let me give that a try with ECDSA
183 2016-08-17T14:25:54  <venzen> thank you
184 2016-08-17T14:29:33  <venzen> jonasschnelli: i assume we use the secp256k1 curve and the usual "Bitcoin parameters" for field, basepoint, etc?
185 2016-08-17T14:29:47  <jonasschnelli> Yes. Sure.
186 2016-08-17T14:30:41  <jonasschnelli> The only crypto differences are ChaCha20Poly1305@openssl for channel encryption, ECDH and HKDF
187 2016-08-17T14:31:34  <jonasschnelli> HKDF is currently available with a python module... ChaCha20Poly1305@openssl, not sure. Be aware of that we use the @openssl AEAD an not the "standard" ChaCha20Poly1305
188 2016-08-17T14:32:09  <jonasschnelli> If you use libsecp256k1 (I guess there is a python module) ECDH should be available... but I'm sure openssl also supports ECDH
189 2016-08-17T14:32:22  <venzen> great, as soon as i get the Auth keypairs generated to spec then I'll set up Encryption channels and the Encryption message type... some python class challenges there but i'm sure it can be done
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191 2016-08-17T14:33:24  <venzen> ok, i see your message about openssl AEAD - the BIP you wrote also mentions the ChaCha20 lib
192 2016-08-17T14:39:03  <jonasschnelli> venzen: you mix up openssl with openssh
193 2016-08-17T14:39:20  <jonasschnelli> Bip151 uses openssh ChaCha20Poly1305 AEAD
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202 2016-08-17T15:48:32  <venzen> no i didn't - i'm following your BIP - its great :)
203 2016-08-17T15:49:19  <venzen> also I have a lib for ephemeral ECDH in Python. Will let you know when i get to the Encrypted channel implementation.
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216 2016-08-17T16:53:55  <venzen> jonasschnelli: do you have any preference for the hash algo?
217 2016-08-17T16:54:06  <venzen> for example in AuthChallenge:
218 2016-08-17T16:54:12  <venzen> hash(encryption-session-ID || challenge_type || remote-peers-expected-identity-public-key)
219 2016-08-17T16:55:25  <venzen> SHA or openssl('DSA'), perhaps?
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