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25 2016-09-09T01:19:13 <Diablo-D3> https://securelist.com/blog/research/75990/the-missing-piece-sophisticated-os-x-backdoor-discovered/
26 2016-09-09T01:26:11 <Qatz> Wonder if that also affects ppc systems
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50 2016-09-09T03:03:53 <binaryc> Any recoemndations on libraries. Looking to build proof of concept Wallet / block explorer. R/postgres/C dev by trade. don't want any js/node. Any pointers appreciated/ Curretly playing with libbitcoin
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52 2016-09-09T03:09:09 <luke-jr> why not contribute to an existing one?
53 2016-09-09T03:09:17 <luke-jr> Bitcoin Core is currently looking for a wallet maintainer
54 2016-09-09T03:10:24 <binaryc> eh, not quite there - should have titled myself datascientist/hack not dev :)
55 2016-09-09T03:12:34 <luke-jr> well, https://github.com/breadwallet/breadwallet-core exists, no idea if it's recommendable or not âº
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60 2016-09-09T03:23:37 <Diablo-D3> >breadwallet
61 2016-09-09T03:24:08 <Diablo-D3> fuck that
62 2016-09-09T03:24:09 <Diablo-D3> http://www.alleewillis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bacon-wallet_0973.jpg
63 2016-09-09T03:24:50 <Diablo-D3> this is my jam
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70 2016-09-09T03:43:41 <midnightmagic> breadwallet in the last source I read phones home to blockchain.info
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73 2016-09-09T03:53:59 <Diablo-D3> the bacon wallet phones home to deliciousness
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130 2016-09-09T07:41:50 <jonasschnelli> binaryc: also have a look at libbtc https://github.com/libbtc/libbtc
131 2016-09-09T07:42:03 <jonasschnelli> It has now basic p2p network support... an SPV client soon (working on it)
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246 2016-09-09T16:09:55 <RainMan28> Hello. I am trying to have a script that would take an mpk and be able to generate new, unused addresses. Is there any open source solution for that? Thank you.
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257 2016-09-09T16:33:09 <Chris_Stewart_5> RainMan28: What is an mpk?
258 2016-09-09T16:33:25 <RainMan28> Chris_Stewart_5: sorry, a master public key for an HD wallet
259 2016-09-09T16:33:51 <Chris_Stewart_5> RainMan28: See bitcore.io/playground, I think they have a tool on there for HD keys.
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262 2016-09-09T16:38:25 <RainMan28> Chris_Stewart_5: thanks took a look at it but not sure how i can use it, does it require me to have bitcore installed on a server? thank you
263 2016-09-09T16:39:11 <Chris_Stewart_5> https://bitcore.io/playground/#/hdkeys
264 2016-09-09T16:39:29 <RainMan28> I go to HD Keys and enter in my master public key in the Root HD Public Key field, switch the tab to Livenet, but not sure what to do next
265 2016-09-09T16:39:38 <Chris_Stewart_5> I think if you place your key inside of the 'Root HD Public Key' field
266 2016-09-09T16:39:52 <Chris_Stewart_5> and then press the 'dice' button or whatever it is lol
267 2016-09-09T16:40:23 <Chris_Stewart_5> Is there an address generated at the bottom in the 'Address' field?
268 2016-09-09T16:40:49 <RainMan28> pressing the dice button replaces my HD Public Key with some random one and also creates a new HD Private Key.
269 2016-09-09T16:40:54 <Chris_Stewart_5> Hmm...
270 2016-09-09T16:41:09 <RainMan28> I don't see an address field, I just see a Derived Keys box below the Master Keys box
271 2016-09-09T16:41:20 <sipa> just change the path
272 2016-09-09T16:41:25 <sipa> and the keys are recomputed
273 2016-09-09T16:41:58 <sipa> the address field is at the bottom
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275 2016-09-09T16:42:53 <Chris_Stewart_5> I tried pasting a master publilc key in and it doesn't genereate anything underneath it, even if i change the path
276 2016-09-09T16:43:07 <sipa> does the path contain ' symbols?
277 2016-09-09T16:43:09 <Chris_Stewart_5> unless I'm misusing it some how, try it with this key tpubD6NzVbkrYhZ4Y1XAAFyqaQ9HxBKUL7BNLyZbKq1Qo8uqqLoLUgGcb3zSdtMCwqCcSRUNvsjeT9SWuGQWrDuok8qgCYM4TNmG3AiF58HpiZ9
278 2016-09-09T16:43:43 <sipa> works fine here
279 2016-09-09T16:43:50 <sipa> just don't use a hardened path
280 2016-09-09T16:44:00 <Chris_Stewart_5> hardened is without the ' right?
281 2016-09-09T16:44:03 <RainMan28> I must not be seeing the address field. All I see is Root HD, Root HD Public Key, and then a section with Derived Keys and Path, and then on the right side a "console" column
282 2016-09-09T16:44:52 <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: hardened is with the '
283 2016-09-09T16:45:05 <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: and hardened derivation only works if you have the parent private key
284 2016-09-09T16:45:08 <RainMan28> I'm on the HD Keys page, not on the Address page, is that where I need to be?
285 2016-09-09T16:46:20 <RainMan28> I see the address field show up if I let it auto-generate its own root HD public key and root HD private key
286 2016-09-09T16:46:53 <Chris_Stewart_5> RainMan28: There is something funky with the UI though, I'm pasting in the master public key I had above, making sure the path is NOT hardened, then do I just press enter? Nothing is popping up for me.. maybe this is a browser issue
287 2016-09-09T16:47:04 <sipa> no, you don't need enter
288 2016-09-09T16:47:13 <sipa> remove the maste private key
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290 2016-09-09T16:47:19 <sipa> and paste a master public key
291 2016-09-09T16:47:38 <sipa> and then type "m/0" in path or so
292 2016-09-09T16:48:05 <RainMan28> ah that generated an address
293 2016-09-09T16:48:23 <Chris_Stewart_5> ahhh, the idiot I am only removed the tick on the leaf node :-)
294 2016-09-09T16:48:34 <Chris_Stewart_5> I thought this should work haha m/44'/0'/0'/0/1337
295 2016-09-09T16:48:48 <Chris_Stewart_5> Thank you sipa, as always
296 2016-09-09T16:48:58 <sipa> it will, if you paste the xpub for m/44'/0'/0' :)
297 2016-09-09T16:49:04 <sipa> and then use m/0/1337 as path
298 2016-09-09T16:49:30 <RainMan28> sipa how can i make sure that it gives me the next available address, if i'm using a trezor wallet as the source of my mpk?
299 2016-09-09T16:49:44 <sipa> you can't
300 2016-09-09T16:49:57 <sipa> you need to keep track of which addresses you've given out already
301 2016-09-09T16:50:20 <Chris_Stewart_5> I think there would be some serious privacy concerns if that was possible
302 2016-09-09T16:51:39 <RainMan28> in my electrum wallet using the same mpk, i see 20 unused new addresses. Does the bitcore tool just get one randomly?
303 2016-09-09T16:52:02 <sipa> no, it gives you the one you're asking for
304 2016-09-09T16:52:22 <RainMan28> I know the blockchain.info API has a way of checking if an address is used and generate a new one that isn't unused, same with a tool by blockonomics.co, was wondering if there was a way to do something similar without using one of those services
305 2016-09-09T16:52:30 <sipa> no
306 2016-09-09T16:52:47 <sipa> and even they can't know whether the addresses have been given out already
307 2016-09-09T16:52:53 <sipa> only whether there have been payments to them
308 2016-09-09T16:53:26 <RainMan28> oh yeah
309 2016-09-09T16:53:35 <RainMan28> thats what I care about, only if payments have been received on them
310 2016-09-09T16:53:38 <RainMan28> not if they have been given out
311 2016-09-09T16:53:42 <sipa> how so?
312 2016-09-09T16:53:56 <sipa> that would result in giving you out the same ones again
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314 2016-09-09T16:54:37 <RainMan28> I am trying to have a script that would get a new address, and immediately a payment would be sent to it, from myself, and next time I would just need a new unused address
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318 2016-09-09T17:02:03 <RainMan28> sipa: in my use case i would just need an address that has not received a payment, would using the bitcore tool with a brand new wallet and just starting with address #1 be the best method?
319 2016-09-09T17:02:34 <sipa> first of all, you should not use a website for this
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321 2016-09-09T17:02:58 <sipa> there are dozens of bip32 implementations
322 2016-09-09T17:03:05 <sipa> (the bip itself has a dozen links or so)
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325 2016-09-09T17:12:19 <RainMan28> sipa: thank you. If I look at one of the unused addresses generated in electrum, I see m/44'/0'/0'/0/72 as the derivation for that address. If I use the same mpk on the bitcore tool and put in the path m/44/0/0/0/72 I see a different address. Is there a way to pull up the same address if I see its derivation in electrum?
326 2016-09-09T17:13:00 <sipa> yes
327 2016-09-09T17:13:16 <sipa> first compute the xpub for m/44'/0'/0'
328 2016-09-09T17:13:33 <sipa> then enter that as master public key, and compute m/0/72
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331 2016-09-09T17:18:43 <RainMan28> sipa: I see thank you again. Do you know if https://github.com/jmcorgan/bip32utils would allow me to use a master public key from my trezor to generate new receive addresses?
332 2016-09-09T17:19:37 <sipa> i would be very surprised if it couldn't
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334 2016-09-09T17:20:12 <RainMan28> thanks, I have read a few times that a trezor uses a different chain implementation but I don't fully understand that so I may just be misinformed
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336 2016-09-09T17:20:28 <sipa> bip32 is generic
337 2016-09-09T17:21:03 <sipa> the different standards are about which derivation path to use
338 2016-09-09T17:24:50 <RainMan28> sipa: in bip32, under recurrent business-to-business transactions N(m/iH/0), I see this:
339 2016-09-09T17:24:54 <RainMan28> In case two business partners often transfer money, one can use the extended public key for the external chain of a specific account (M/i h/0) as a sort of "super address", allowing frequent transactions that cannot (easily) be associated, but without needing to request a new address for each payment.
340 2016-09-09T17:25:31 <RainMan28> in that implementation is there just one xpub that you send all payments to?
341 2016-09-09T17:26:43 <sipa> yes, the sender just derives consecutive keys from one xpub
342 2016-09-09T17:26:43 <waxwing> does anyone have any clues why bitcoind would fail to install here: https://travis-ci.org/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket#L316 (on line 756 "which bitcoind" fails) ?
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344 2016-09-09T17:27:24 <waxwing> it always worked up until say last month, and also i tried installing the same way on 1204 and 1404 and it seems to work fine. i can't figure out why travis would be different.
345 2016-09-09T17:27:40 <sipa> 'which bitcoind' will fail if it can't be found in the PATH
346 2016-09-09T17:28:22 <waxwing> sipa: well .. yes, that was kind of the point :)
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348 2016-09-09T17:28:38 <sipa> so either your path is wrong, or bitcoind isn't installed where you think it is
349 2016-09-09T17:29:08 <waxwing> this is quite clear. however that's why i gave the circumstances/details above.
350 2016-09-09T17:30:05 <sipa> as far as i can see nothing in travis is installing bitcoind
351 2016-09-09T17:30:31 <waxwing> line 316-321?
352 2016-09-09T17:30:57 <sipa> oh, overlooked!
353 2016-09-09T17:31:17 <sipa> which version of ubuntu is that?
354 2016-09-09T17:31:29 <sipa> 12.04
355 2016-09-09T17:31:34 <sipa> that's no longer supported by the ppa
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357 2016-09-09T17:31:57 <waxwing> right, that would make sense, except: i just tried on a 1204LTS box locally with the same commands, and it worked
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359 2016-09-09T17:32:40 <waxwing> i can't quite figure out how i can ask travis to use 1404, i found this: https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/ci-environment/
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361 2016-09-09T17:32:43 <sipa> i believe that on 12.04, the bitcoind 0.13 ppa package is literally just empty
362 2016-09-09T17:32:57 <sipa> so maybe you just had an older version installed on that box?
363 2016-09-09T17:32:57 <waxwing> ah dist: trusty
364 2016-09-09T17:33:10 <waxwing> sipa: well i did a which beforehand, but maybe i somehow confused myself
365 2016-09-09T17:34:19 <waxwing> i guess i could have had another repository or something? anyway, the mystery is solved if, as you say, 1204 is not supported, that fits all the facts.
366 2016-09-09T17:34:54 <waxwing> s/not/no longer/
367 2016-09-09T17:42:27 <waxwing> sipa: yep that fixed it, thanks for the prod :)
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401 2016-09-09T19:17:01 <RainMan28> sipa, sorry to bug you again, but do you know if there is a way to use the bip32util to have it start with the same unused address I am seeing in my trezor/electrum wallet?
402 2016-09-09T19:17:54 <RainMan28> I've gotten bip32utils to generate an address from my xpub but electrum and my copay wallets don't ever see payments to the generated address because it is too far ahead (I am guessing)
403 2016-09-09T19:22:21 <RainMan28> sipa: would this mean that what I'm trying to do is not possible, found this in the bip32gen doc: bip32gen can generate address with given derivation from entropy, but can't generate from given xprivate key, it says: "When generating from xprv or xpub, keyspec must start with 0..9"
404 2016-09-09T19:27:03 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: what are you trying to do?
405 2016-09-09T19:27:38 <jonasschnelli> Do you want to generate a particular key/pubkey/address at a given path with an xpriv?
406 2016-09-09T19:28:16 <RainMan28> jonasschnelli: have a wallet that was generated on my trezor, which I use with electrum. Trying to have the ability to use the master public key for that wallet and have a script which starts with the first unused address in that wallet and generates a new unused address each time its run
407 2016-09-09T19:28:57 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: and you have your xpub exported from Trezor?
408 2016-09-09T19:29:01 <RainMan28> yes
409 2016-09-09T19:29:22 <jonasschnelli> And you know your last address from where it should start to "count upwards"?
410 2016-09-09T19:29:25 <RainMan28> yes
411 2016-09-09T19:29:37 <jonasschnelli> But you don't know the child key index or keypath of that last key?
412 2016-09-09T19:30:21 <RainMan28> I think I do...electrum shows the derivation of my first unused address as: m/44'/0'/0'/0/14
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414 2016-09-09T19:30:34 <jonasschnelli> Okay.. this is easy.
415 2016-09-09T19:31:35 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: I would use the bitcointool from https://github.com/libbtc/libbtc
416 2016-09-09T19:31:52 <jonasschnelli> something like this: ./bitcointool -c hdderive -p xpub6AHA9hZDN11k2ijHMeS5QqHx2KP9aMBRhTDqANMnwVtdyw2TDYRmF8PjpvwUFcL1Et8Hj59S3gTSMcUQ5gAqTz3Wd8EsMTmF3DChhqPQBnU -m m/0
417 2016-09-09T19:32:11 <jonasschnelli> you probably would need -m m/44h/0h/0h/0/15
418 2016-09-09T19:32:24 <jonasschnelli> h in the keypath is identical to ' (but better for the shell)
419 2016-09-09T19:33:22 <RainMan28> wow jonasschnelli
420 2016-09-09T19:33:29 <RainMan28> thank you so much, i can run this on ubuntu?
421 2016-09-09T19:33:46 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: yeah. Just need to compile it.
422 2016-09-09T19:33:50 <jonasschnelli> git clone https://github.com/libbtc/libbtc
423 2016-09-09T19:33:54 <jonasschnelli> ./autogen.sh
424 2016-09-09T19:33:57 <jonasschnelli> ./configure
425 2016-09-09T19:33:58 <jonasschnelli> make
426 2016-09-09T19:34:12 <jonasschnelli> (make sure you have some build essentials)
427 2016-09-09T19:34:29 <jonasschnelli> sudo apt-get install build-essential libtool autotools-dev autoconf pkg-config git
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429 2016-09-09T19:34:56 <jonasschnelli> one you have called "make"... there should be an executable in the folder called ./bitcointool
430 2016-09-09T19:35:06 <RainMan28> and if i put that in a script, i just increment the 15 at the end of the command each time?
431 2016-09-09T19:35:15 <jonasschnelli> right..
432 2016-09-09T19:35:34 <jonasschnelli> the bitcointool is a normal binary which you can use like any other shell command.
433 2016-09-09T19:35:49 <jonasschnelli> I don't know what happens if you call "make install". :-)
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435 2016-09-09T19:36:54 <RainMan28> jonasschnelli: thank you, will try that!
436 2016-09-09T19:37:54 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: tell me how if it works for you or what I could improve
437 2016-09-09T19:38:35 <jonasschnelli> btw. make install works... it will copy the bitcointool to somewhere link /usr/local/bin
438 2016-09-09T19:38:49 <RainMan28> will do!
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442 2016-09-09T19:55:08 <RainMan28> hi jonasschnelli, just tried it
443 2016-09-09T19:55:28 <RainMan28> not sure I'm doing it correctly but I'm not able to get the same address as I'm seeing in my electrum wallet with the same derivation path
444 2016-09-09T19:55:31 <RainMan28> http://disarmer.tk/upload/data/1/V9MTJA.txt
445 2016-09-09T19:56:11 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: are you sure about the 1h in m/44h/0h/1h/0/7
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447 2016-09-09T19:57:00 <RainMan28> jonasschnelli: on electrum it is showing the derivation for the address as: m/44'/0'/1'/0/7
448 2016-09-09T19:57:24 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: ah. Wait, you need the xpriv in order to do that (not allowed with trezor)
449 2016-09-09T19:57:30 <jonasschnelli> How did you exported the xpub?
450 2016-09-09T19:57:41 <RainMan28> in electrum it shows the master public key
451 2016-09-09T19:57:42 <jonasschnelli> You need the xpub of m/44'/0'/1'
452 2016-09-09T19:58:01 <jonasschnelli> Can electrum export the xpub at m/44'/0'/1'?
453 2016-09-09T19:58:27 <jonasschnelli> Because with the xpub, you cannot derive keyindex with the ' ... like m/44'
454 2016-09-09T19:58:28 <RainMan28> not sure...can i use the bitcore online HD key tool to calculate that if i know the master xpub?
455 2016-09-09T19:58:43 <jonasschnelli> No. Its not possible.
456 2016-09-09T19:58:51 <jonasschnelli> The master xpub cannot derive the hardened keys.
457 2016-09-09T19:58:58 <jonasschnelli> Only the xpriv can.
458 2016-09-09T19:59:22 <jonasschnelli> for m/44'/0'/1'/0/7, most wallets keep the xpub at m/44'/0'/1' in order to derive keys without requiring the xpriv
459 2016-09-09T19:59:42 <jonasschnelli> If you only have the xpub from m, you screwed. :)
460 2016-09-09T20:00:00 <RainMan28> ah
461 2016-09-09T20:00:01 <jonasschnelli> Either you need the xpriv from m or the xpub from m/44'/0'/1'
462 2016-09-09T20:00:25 <jonasschnelli> I'm pretty sure Trezor can export the xpub at m/44'/0'/1'
463 2016-09-09T20:00:42 <sipa> it should, otherwise no software can derive its keys
464 2016-09-09T20:00:56 <jonasschnelli> Yes. I think here: https://coinsimple.com/support/how-can-i-accept-bitcoin-to-my-trezor-wallet-with-coinsimple/
465 2016-09-09T20:01:26 <RainMan28> in electrum if I get the xpub of Account #1, it says Derivation: 1 and then gives me the master xpub key
466 2016-09-09T20:01:34 <RainMan28> if I go to the main account in electrum it shows it as Derivation: 0
467 2016-09-09T20:01:48 <RainMan28> I was using the Derivation: 1 master public key in my btctool test
468 2016-09-09T20:01:55 <jonasschnelli> Maybe your xpub is the one from m/44'/0'/1'
469 2016-09-09T20:02:10 <jonasschnelli> try to derive m/0/14 (for address 14) with the bitcointool
470 2016-09-09T20:02:40 <RainMan28> OK
471 2016-09-09T20:03:32 <RainMan28> jonasschnelli: that worked!
472 2016-09-09T20:03:41 <jonasschnelli> Perfect. Then go write your script. :)
473 2016-09-09T20:04:09 <jonasschnelli> And I recommend you to not post xpubs in public IRC channels.
474 2016-09-09T20:04:30 <jonasschnelli> If you loose your xpub together with a single private key (non x), you will reveal all your keys.
475 2016-09-09T20:04:40 <jonasschnelli> And it can harm your privacy.
476 2016-09-09T20:04:41 <RainMan28> yes that was just a test one
477 2016-09-09T20:04:47 <jonasschnelli> Okay. Good to know. :)
478 2016-09-09T20:04:50 <RainMan28> thank you so much jonasschnelli
479 2016-09-09T20:04:54 <RainMan28> and you too sipa :)
480 2016-09-09T20:05:00 <sipa> yw
481 2016-09-09T20:05:37 <RainMan28> jonasschnelli: any idea on how to have a quick way to check a generated address to see if it has 0 balance? Thinking could have the script increment again if there's a balance on it
482 2016-09-09T20:06:14 <jonasschnelli> That would require a blockexplorer API call... or a full address indexed bitcoin-core (not available out of the box).
483 2016-09-09T20:06:27 <RainMan28> ah ok nevermind then
484 2016-09-09T20:06:34 <jonasschnelli> If you are happy to trust a blockexplorer, just use curl to call the URL
485 2016-09-09T20:07:11 <RainMan28> oh ok
486 2016-09-09T20:07:13 <RainMan28> and jonasschnelli if I was using the main account in that wallet where it says Derivation: 0 instead of Derivation: 1, then would I do m/44/0/0/7 ?
487 2016-09-09T20:07:45 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: account 0 = m/44'/0'/0' and account 1 = m/44'/0'/1'
488 2016-09-09T20:07:46 <jonasschnelli> but..
489 2016-09-09T20:07:55 <jonasschnelli> the xpub you did export was from m/44'/0'/1' ...
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491 2016-09-09T20:08:13 <jonasschnelli> so you can just derive m/0/n
492 2016-09-09T20:08:29 <jonasschnelli> which internally results in (m/44'/0'/1')/0/n
493 2016-09-09T20:08:36 <jonasschnelli> for account 1 and
494 2016-09-09T20:08:47 <jonasschnelli> (m/44'/0'/0')/0/n for your account 0 (guess main account)
495 2016-09-09T20:09:07 <jonasschnelli> So no difference in your script,.. just a different xpub
496 2016-09-09T20:10:45 <RainMan28> so address #14 on account 0 would be: m/44h/0h/0h/0/14 ?
497 2016-09-09T20:11:55 <jonasschnelli> no, the xpub you can export is already from m/44h/0h/0h
498 2016-09-09T20:12:03 <jonasschnelli> so only use -m 0/14
499 2016-09-09T20:12:08 <RainMan28> ah ok
500 2016-09-09T20:12:13 <jonasschnelli> sorry, should be -m m/0/14
501 2016-09-09T20:12:45 <jonasschnelli> the m in m/0/14 can also be a key further down in the chain...
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503 2016-09-09T20:13:37 <RainMan28> ah ok
504 2016-09-09T20:14:02 <RainMan28> and jonasschnelli your idea about curl'ing a block explorer, we could do something like: curl https://blockexplorer.com/address/1Jna627qunfnXQB9R55WJnen4vGFJnXBns and then test to see if any transactions are showing on that output?
505 2016-09-09T20:14:41 <jonasschnelli> Yes. But an actual API where you can get JSON output
506 2016-09-09T20:14:47 <RainMan28> ah
507 2016-09-09T20:14:55 <jonasschnelli> https://blockexplorer.com/api-ref
508 2016-09-09T20:15:30 <jonasschnelli> https://blockexplorer.com/api/addr/1Jna627qunfnXQB9R55WJnen4vGFJnXBns
509 2016-09-09T20:19:21 <RainMan28> very cool jonasschnelli
510 2016-09-09T20:19:48 <RainMan28> looks like i need to test with /totalReceived and /unconfirmedBalance to make sure an address hasn't been used
511 2016-09-09T20:23:15 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: Yes. Something like curl -s https://blockexplorer.com/api/addr/1Jna627qunfnXQB9R55WJnen4vGFJnXBns | jq -r '.balance'
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515 2016-09-09T20:25:52 <RainMan28> jonasschnelli: oh i was just doing curl https://blockexplorer.com/api/addr/1HekFqpr1xLZKXdk54fteh9wBDiseG5fv1/unconfirmedBalance
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518 2016-09-09T20:29:21 <jonasschnelli> RainMan28: Hah. Yes. Much simpler
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