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7 2016-10-15T01:55:47 <ageis> can I talk to someone who's familiar with the Gitian deterministic build system?
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25 2016-10-15T05:05:00 <btcdrak> ageis: ask your question first.
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36 2016-10-15T06:11:54 <ageis> btcdrak: nvm, i'm good
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104 2016-10-15T13:44:36 <kanzure> luke-jr: i would prefer continuing to edit bip1 instead of deprecating bip1
105 2016-10-15T13:44:49 <kanzure> (re: bip2)
106 2016-10-15T13:45:32 <luke-jr> I wouldn't.
107 2016-10-15T13:45:46 <kanzure> or, what's your strongest argument for not editing bip1
108 2016-10-15T13:46:06 <luke-jr> it's not how the BIP process works?
109 2016-10-15T13:46:34 <kanzure> have you read bip1?
110 2016-10-15T13:47:39 <kanzure> if you really want non-editing of bip1, it should probably be specified in bip1 :P
111 2016-10-15T13:48:18 <kanzure> also we should probably s/Bitcoin Improvement Process/Bitcoin Improvement Proposals/
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117 2016-10-15T14:45:09 <kanzure> luke-jr: actually, what does "replacement" mean in https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-September/013165.html
118 2016-10-15T14:46:10 <luke-jr> kanzure: BIP 1 becomes Replaced when BIP 2 becomes Active
119 2016-10-15T14:46:53 <kanzure> ok you mean merely status update
120 2016-10-15T14:46:56 <kanzure> on the status line thing
121 2016-10-15T14:47:27 <kanzure> so you do not propose editing bip1 to prominently link to bip2 ?
122 2016-10-15T14:54:22 <kanzure> (i'm trying to convince myself about bip2)
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124 2016-10-15T15:09:28 <luke-jr> kanzure: bip-0001.mediawiki could be edited to "unofficially" have its status plastered all over it in big letters pointing at bip 2
125 2016-10-15T15:09:54 <luke-jr> ie, I see it as out-of-band rather than a modification of the BIP content itself
126 2016-10-15T15:10:15 <kanzure> what is the value to you of preserving the original bip1 content?
127 2016-10-15T15:10:40 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: wikis do have history btw
128 2016-10-15T15:11:08 <Diablo-D3> btw, how are bips done? by rfc-style shit?
129 2016-10-15T15:11:15 <Diablo-D3> because rfcs dont go back and modify old ones
130 2016-10-15T15:11:16 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: see BIP 2
131 2016-10-15T15:11:40 <Diablo-D3> they purposely say in the opening paragraph "this rfc replaces rfc old one"
132 2016-10-15T15:11:52 <luke-jr> Diablo-D3: that's the point
133 2016-10-15T15:12:03 <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0002.mediawiki
134 2016-10-15T15:12:06 * Diablo-D3 goes afk, sry
135 2016-10-15T15:12:22 <Diablo-D3> luke-jr: also, its a bip about making bips?
136 2016-10-15T15:12:31 <Diablo-D3> neat
137 2016-10-15T15:12:32 <Diablo-D3> afk for real
138 2016-10-15T15:12:47 <luke-jr> yes
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144 2016-10-15T15:47:57 <kanzure> arguably you should say "see bip1" not "see bip2" :P
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171 2016-10-15T18:15:55 <TZander> luke-jr: I think he has a point; should BIP2 get accepted you want an *effective* description of writing a BIP. Meaning that if you don't change BIP1, you shouldn't point to it.
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173 2016-10-15T18:48:08 <kanzure> all i meant was a humorous remark that in the irc chat instead of telling Diablo-D3 to see bip2.. etc.. because bip1 is not inactive. and Diablo-D3 was asking about bip stuff.
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177 2016-10-15T19:05:51 <luke-jr> kanzure: but BIP 1 doesn't give details for anything
178 2016-10-15T19:19:09 <kanzure> hm?
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184 2016-10-15T20:14:33 <luke-jr> kanzure: a lot of BIP 2 is simply defining things BIP 1 left completely vague
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