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146 2016-11-13T15:37:25 <venzen> hi all, experimenting with BIP151 (encrypted sessions). Anyone able to point me at a utility for calculating the 2nd ECC point from a compressed pubkey in Python?
147 2016-11-13T15:37:31 <takashi> test message
148 2016-11-13T15:40:20 <jonasschnelli> venzen: what are you trying to do?
149 2016-11-13T15:40:42 <jonasschnelli> Second key for the AEAD
150 2016-11-13T15:40:46 <jonasschnelli> ?
151 2016-11-13T15:43:03 <venzen> hi jonasschnelli
152 2016-11-13T15:44:07 <venzen> yes, working with comp keys is giving me some headaches when trying to calc the ECDH secret, because the utility i have expects a point on the curve...
153 2016-11-13T15:44:52 <venzen> i can calculate that and pass it along but i'm not sure how to determine the points from the compressed privkey
154 2016-11-13T15:45:30 <venzen> i understand its a single point with a sign prefix for the corresponding point...
155 2016-11-13T15:45:48 <jonasschnelli> ECDH always take a private and a pub-key as input to calculate a shared secret
156 2016-11-13T15:46:01 <venzen> ehe
157 2016-11-13T15:46:30 <jonasschnelli> Example: ECDH(PubKey-Alice, PrivateKey-Bob) == ECDH(PrivateKey-Alice, PubKey-Bob)
158 2016-11-13T15:46:51 <venzen> thanks and great
159 2016-11-13T15:47:30 <venzen> and it expects two points for the privkey, how do you handle that?
160 2016-11-13T15:48:53 <venzen> rather, let me ask, if we generate two points, then which of the two do we use in the EncInit/EncAck messages?
161 2016-11-13T15:48:59 <jonasschnelli> Not sure what library you are using,... but I guess it should take a 32-byte scalar containing a valid private-key and a valid public-key
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163 2016-11-13T15:51:27 <jonasschnelli> venzen: I guess if you gave two points, you have an uncompressed pubkey,... you need to compress it first
164 2016-11-13T15:51:27 <venzen> my lib is generating a compressed privkey, I then decompress it, split that in two (after removing the prefix) and feeding those two points to ECDH... but that's clumsy and I'm not left wondering which of the points to use for the Encryption messages because they want a compressed privkey (33 bytes)
165 2016-11-13T15:52:11 <jonasschnelli> http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/8914/ecdsa-compressed-public-key-point-back-to-uncompressed-public-key-point
166 2016-11-13T15:52:26 <jonasschnelli> there is no such thing like a compress private key
167 2016-11-13T15:52:31 <jonasschnelli> only compressed public-keys
168 2016-11-13T15:52:57 <venzen> is there a ECDH lib you can recommend that accepts a compressed pubkey?
169 2016-11-13T15:53:11 <jonasschnelli> libsecp256k1
170 2016-11-13T15:53:24 <venzen> indeed, my error, i meant to say compressed pubkey
171 2016-11-13T15:53:26 <jonasschnelli> not sure if it has python bindings
172 2016-11-13T15:54:23 <venzen> thanks, i'll look at that and see if i find python bindings or smething else suitable
173 2016-11-13T15:54:25 <jonasschnelli> If you are using python, maybe check https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib
174 2016-11-13T15:54:49 <jonasschnelli> They certainly have signing,... though not sure through what library
175 2016-11-13T15:55:06 <venzen> have checked it and use it in part...
176 2016-11-13T15:56:18 <venzen> so far so good, I have the message types (EncInit, EncAck) as well as the Auth handshake working. Now focussing on getting the Encryption to spec
177 2016-11-13T15:57:36 <venzen> will feedback once I make progress. Do you have test implementation I can try against?
178 2016-11-13T15:59:39 <jonasschnelli> No. We are also working on the implementation..
179 2016-11-13T15:59:48 <jonasschnelli> but there is a java script implementation of 150/151
180 2016-11-13T15:59:52 <jonasschnelli> bcoin
181 2016-11-13T16:00:04 <jonasschnelli> Though, not sure if its correctly after the specs.
182 2016-11-13T16:00:09 <jonasschnelli> But looks good.
183 2016-11-13T16:00:35 <jonasschnelli> When implementing the AEAD (chacha20poly1305), make sure you are implementing the openssh version of the AEAD
184 2016-11-13T16:01:01 <venzen> i read about it and will try it locally or speak with one of their devs for cross-implementation auth
185 2016-11-13T16:01:26 <venzen> oh yes, i read its ref today from your BIP link
186 2016-11-13T16:01:40 <jonasschnelli> Shouldn't be very hard...
187 2016-11-13T16:02:06 <jonasschnelli> I started implementing (rip-out of openssh) the AEAD in C99: https://github.com/jonasschnelli/chacha20poly1305
188 2016-11-13T16:02:12 <jonasschnelli> Very rough currently
189 2016-11-13T16:02:45 <venzen> shouldn't - only to find a suitable python binding - i think libsodium along with pysodium has the encrypt/decrypt functions
190 2016-11-13T16:03:26 <venzen> i mean shouldn't be hard to implement, thanks for the link - i'll look at your code
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193 2016-11-13T16:11:51 <AndChat|30900> test
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196 2016-11-13T16:15:17 <venzen> jonasschnelli: just to check - for your implementation of the Enc session - are you generating both a compressed pukey (for use in the two way exchange messages), as well as an uncompressed pubkey in order to pass the EC point to ECHD?
197 2016-11-13T16:16:06 <venzen> ECDH
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199 2016-11-13T16:16:26 <jonasschnelli> No. Only a single ephemeral key = one compressed pubkey
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201 2016-11-13T16:17:18 <venzen> and your ECHD util accept the compressed pubkey and returns two scalars for the shared secret?
202 2016-11-13T16:17:52 <jonasschnelli> No.. only one.
203 2016-11-13T16:18:01 <jonasschnelli> The two AEAD key will be deriven by HKDF
204 2016-11-13T16:18:21 <jonasschnelli> PRK = HKDF_EXTRACT(hash=SHA256, salt="bitcoinecdh", ikm=ecdh_secret|cipher-type)
205 2016-11-13T16:18:25 <jonasschnelli> K_1 = HKDF_EXPAND(prk=PRK, hash=SHA256, info="BitcoinK1", L=32)
206 2016-11-13T16:18:31 <jonasschnelli> K_2 = HKDF_EXPAND(prk=PRK, hash=SHA256, info="BitcoinK2", L=32)
207 2016-11-13T16:18:44 <jonasschnelli> K_1 will be used to encrypt the length of the package
208 2016-11-13T16:19:19 <venzen> yes
209 2016-11-13T16:19:54 <venzen> and we use the left 32 bytes and right 32 bytes of the shared secret for k_1 and K_2
210 2016-11-13T16:19:57 <venzen> yes
211 2016-11-13T16:20:36 <jonasschnelli> left and right?
212 2016-11-13T16:20:37 <venzen> ah, ok, my util is not suitable, it takes the privkey and a point and returns a tuple of two shared secrets... i need to find something else, as mentioned before
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215 2016-11-13T16:21:52 <venzen> says so in the BIP (151) under Symmetric Encryption Cipher Keys...
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217 2016-11-13T16:22:18 <jonasschnelli> I guess ECDH(priv, pub) should always result in the same (single) 32byte shared secret (for the secp256k1 curvparams)
218 2016-11-13T16:23:09 <jonasschnelli> venzen: do you have the newest version of BIP151? https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0151.mediawiki
219 2016-11-13T16:23:16 <jonasschnelli> There was an update some month ago with the HKDF change
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221 2016-11-13T16:24:42 <venzen> no, i was looking at an older draft :) thanks
222 2016-11-13T16:27:04 <venzen> ok, i need to find an appropriate ECDH utility for python, could code it I guess, or hopefully find a binding for libsecp256k1
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228 2016-11-13T16:33:58 <jonasschnelli> venzen: what are you implementing?
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230 2016-11-13T16:37:39 <venzen> jonasschnelli: i have a python node. I initially implemented the message types for Auth and Enc, and got these working between my nodes using zero values for all keys
231 2016-11-13T16:38:32 <venzen> I've now got the Auth working (as per spec) after a dummy Enc handshake
232 2016-11-13T16:38:40 <jonasschnelli> You could try implementing bip151 for the python-bitcoinlib
233 2016-11-13T16:38:54 <venzen> can do, yes
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235 2016-11-13T16:40:18 <venzen> i'll look at Peter's lib and see what's there for kegen and the ECDH shared secret calc
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237 2016-11-13T16:40:29 <venzen> *keygen
238 2016-11-13T16:41:05 <venzen> implementing the Encripted message type could be more difficult, but again I can see what he's got already
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241 2016-11-13T16:53:25 <venzen> jonasschnelli: i just looked through python-bitcoinlib, and i'll begin with a pullrequest to add the message types there
242 2016-11-13T16:54:02 <jonasschnelli> I guess the message types only make sense with the according protocol implementation? not?
243 2016-11-13T16:55:27 <venzen> the ECDH functions there may be useful - i'll have a look and see what can be ported from my existing code - and what Peter likes, of course
244 2016-11-13T16:55:50 <jonasschnelli> Bip151 would make sense as a first step (without BIP150).
245 2016-11-13T17:01:32 <venzen> i think you're right... if python-bitcoinlib can produce the correct format keys and calculate the shared secret, and two instances of the lib can negotiate through BIP151 that would be a first step. I'll give it a try
246 2016-11-13T17:10:19 <jonasschnelli> Yes. That would be good.
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