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 34 2017-05-01T05:18:54  <CryptAxe> Question for any core dev(s):
 35 2017-05-01T05:18:55  <CryptAxe> How annoying are PR's for spelling fixes? I notice tiny issues sometimes and I've tried not to keep opening PR's that change a single character or word. Do you guys want pull requests for that or does it waste more of your time than it's worth?
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 39 2017-05-01T05:30:54  <kallewoof> They're super trivial to review and typos are ugly so I'm all for them personally.
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 41 2017-05-01T05:45:49  <CryptAxe> Thank you, I feel the same way but I'm not on the receiving end of the PR so I thought I should at least ask :)
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 50 2017-05-01T07:32:16  <wumpus> they're welcome, but try not to overdo it - my suggestion would be to save them up over some period of time
 51 2017-05-01T07:32:23  <wumpus> e.g. keep notes, then fix in one PR
 52 2017-05-01T07:33:20  <wumpus> that's how I do it at least, I feel opening a PR for changing a single letter distracts from more serious work devs are doing, and I feel the same when on the receiving end
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 70 2017-05-01T11:07:04  <comboy> what am I misunderstanding? is ANYONECANPAY not allwed without some other sighash type with STRICTENC?
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 73 2017-05-01T11:19:51  <comboy> ok, found the relevant part in BIP62, it appears that's the case
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 75 2017-05-01T11:46:53  <comboy> btw, checked by modifying the source and it doesn't seem to be covered by any test case, if it's welcomed I can try to add some cases to script_tests.json (after collecting some more, I think I had some other things too)
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 81 2017-05-01T12:16:14  <fnb_theory> hey guys, can the order of input transactions change once the transaction has been submitted to the mempool?
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 86 2017-05-01T12:43:58  <afk11> fnb_theory, you need to sign a new transaction, and would likely be classed as a double spend. what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
 87 2017-05-01T12:50:31  <fnb_theory> afk11: I don't want to change the input order. I want to use it as an identifier for something. So I need to know, if the order will change or not. If I can rely on that order remaining the same, once the transaction has been submitted to a node.
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 89 2017-05-01T13:03:38  <afk11> if no one else can sign for your inputs, then no one can tamper with that order
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 92 2017-05-01T13:06:33  <fnb_theory> afk11: thanks. If i understad correctly, ANYONECANPAY allows people to add inputs. Does this apply somehow to transactions already in the mempool?
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 94 2017-05-01T13:10:08  <afk11> only if your signatures use ANYONECANPAY. if one was ALL then adding an input would invalidate existing sigs
 95 2017-05-01T13:10:53  <fnb_theory> afk11: So a transaction can be edited while in the mempool if the sighash is ANYONECANPAY?
 96 2017-05-01T13:11:48  <afk11> yea, though it's a double spend, so mightn't propagate very well
 97 2017-05-01T13:11:50  <afk11> give it a try ;)
 98 2017-05-01T13:12:23  <afk11> edited is a strong word. you're not replacing it, you're competing with it.
 99 2017-05-01T13:12:43  <fnb_theory> hmmm... I see, but the old transaction will still exist in the mempool?
100 2017-05-01T13:12:56  <fnb_theory> you'll have two then or what?
101 2017-05-01T13:13:02  <fnb_theory> one with the old data and one with the new?
102 2017-05-01T13:13:03  <afk11> yea
103 2017-05-01T13:13:22  <fnb_theory> with the intention that the new one goes through?
104 2017-05-01T13:13:39  <afk11> I dunno what you're doing, why is replacement/ANYONECANPAY an issue?
105 2017-05-01T13:15:43  <fnb_theory> as I said. I am doing verification of sorts on the transaction inputs based on their order. This, I understand is not normal, but it's part of a bigger process. So let's say for arguments sake that I identify the first transaction as "x" (using sha256) because it has transation inputs in order "12345". If that order changes and I get "54321" then I will end up with and ID of "y".
106 2017-05-01T13:16:06  <fnb_theory> I don't want to change the inputs myself. Nor can I in my application, nor do i care. But I need to understand the input order of the transaction IDs
107 2017-05-01T13:17:17  <goatpig> if you are using sighash_all you won't have any issues
108 2017-05-01T13:17:36  <goatpig> if you are using weird sighash types like ANYONECANPAY, then it gets more complicated
109 2017-05-01T13:17:58  <fnb_theory> goatpig: I won't have control over that. How so?
110 2017-05-01T13:18:13  <goatpig> why would you not have control over it? are you not emitting the transaction?
111 2017-05-01T13:18:25  <fnb_theory> goatpig: no
112 2017-05-01T13:18:45  <goatpig> ok then this is part of some sort of protocol of yours that participants have to follow?
113 2017-05-01T13:19:26  <fnb_theory> goatpig: no :) I just want to understand under what circumstances the input order can change, if it is common and if it does change, how it changes and why.
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115 2017-05-01T13:19:45  <fnb_theory> goatpig: if the answer is, it just changes because it feels like it. Then I'm okay with that. I just need to know.
116 2017-05-01T13:19:57  <goatpig> as afk11 was sying ANYONECANPAY can have other users submit inputs
117 2017-05-01T13:20:23  <fnb_theory> goatpig: okay cool
118 2017-05-01T13:20:24  <goatpig> otherwise,  a RBF transaction can be double spent, hence inputs can change/get reorderer
119 2017-05-01T13:20:42  <goatpig> in both cases you can know this
120 2017-05-01T13:20:49  <goatpig> and this only ever applies to mempool tx
121 2017-05-01T13:21:02  <fnb_theory> goatpig: What happens to the old transaction of an RBF transaction occurs?
122 2017-05-01T13:21:03  <goatpig> baring these 2 cases, the order cannot change
123 2017-05-01T13:21:17  <goatpig> depends
124 2017-05-01T13:21:23  <goatpig> at the node level
125 2017-05-01T13:21:38  <goatpig> RBF compliant nodes will outright replace the old one with the new one
126 2017-05-01T13:21:48  <goatpig> non compliant nodes like BU do not relay the second RBF
127 2017-05-01T13:21:50  <goatpig> ie the replacement
128 2017-05-01T13:21:56  <goatpig> at the miner level
129 2017-05-01T13:22:23  <fnb_theory> goatpig: so anyone running core would only ever see that one transaction, even if it gets replaced, they don't see the old one, just the new one right?
130 2017-05-01T13:22:23  <goatpig> you can only speculate their tx selection code will pick up the more rewarding tx, ie the replacement
131 2017-05-01T13:22:43  <goatpig> Core's GUI keeps track of replacements I believe
132 2017-05-01T13:22:51  <goatpig> as for the tx
133 2017-05-01T13:22:57  <goatpig> it won't be in the mempool anymore i believe
134 2017-05-01T13:22:59  <goatpig> the old one that is
135 2017-05-01T13:23:05  <fnb_theory> goatpig: okay, so the re-ordering can occur when mined?
136 2017-05-01T13:23:07  <goatpig> cause it would conflict with the replacement
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138 2017-05-01T13:23:29  <goatpig> well assuming you didn't see the replacement/double spend, it is possible for the tx to change
139 2017-05-01T13:23:38  <goatpig> ie there is guarantee what's in your mempool is what is going to get mined
140 2017-05-01T13:23:51  <goatpig> at this point it's only an indication of outputs being signed for
141 2017-05-01T13:23:59  <goatpig> there is no guarantee*
142 2017-05-01T13:24:13  <fnb_theory> goatpig: so if you see the new tx in the mempool, that's the structure it'll have once mined?
143 2017-05-01T13:24:18  <fnb_theory> goatpig: oh right
144 2017-05-01T13:24:28  <goatpig> not unless you have nefarious actors
145 2017-05-01T13:24:39  <goatpig> or people cooperating in private
146 2017-05-01T13:24:44  <goatpig> to double spend what the network sees
147 2017-05-01T13:24:48  <fnb_theory> goatpig: and if the sighash is anyonecanpay it won't invalidate the signatures?
148 2017-05-01T13:25:01  <fnb_theory> goatpig: the re-ordering
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150 2017-05-01T13:25:37  <goatpig> adding inputs to a transaction with a signed anyonecanpay input won't invalidate this one input
151 2017-05-01T13:26:11  <fnb_theory> goatpig: and not the other inputs either?
152 2017-05-01T13:26:15  <goatpig> you still have to look at other inputs in that tx
153 2017-05-01T13:26:31  <goatpig> each input has its own sighash
154 2017-05-01T13:26:45  <fnb_theory> right...
155 2017-05-01T13:26:51  <goatpig> so mixing anyonecanpay with sighash_all has no real effect per se
156 2017-05-01T13:27:04  <fnb_theory> so how does re-ordering then occur?
157 2017-05-01T13:27:14  <goatpig> if ALL inputs in that one tx are anyonecanpay
158 2017-05-01T13:27:22  <fnb_theory> ah okay.
159 2017-05-01T13:27:24  <goatpig> you can keep on adding anyonecanpay inputs to it
160 2017-05-01T13:27:26  <fnb_theory> I got it
161 2017-05-01T13:27:29  <fnb_theory> thanks mate
162 2017-05-01T13:27:32  <goatpig> up until the point someone adds a more binding input
163 2017-05-01T13:27:54  <goatpig> consider it's unlikely though
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165 2017-05-01T13:28:10  <fnb_theory> okay cool. Shot goatpig and afk11 I get it now :)
166 2017-05-01T13:28:13  <goatpig> those added coins would be burned as fee
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