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36 2017-05-25T03:38:46 <earlz> Hi, not sure this is the place to discuss, but I know Bitcoin has a hard-fork wishlist. Will anything beyond 2Mb blocks be included in the new agreement for segwit+2Mb block hardfork?
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129 2017-05-25T12:19:44 <graingert> earlz: 2Mb can be done with a soft fork
130 2017-05-25T12:20:02 <graingert> earlz: bitcoin blocks are currently 8Mb
131 2017-05-25T12:20:22 <graingert> luke-jr: can you make a segwit+2Mb bip?
132 2017-05-25T12:21:29 <graingert> luke-jr: eg 0.25 * the size
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156 2017-05-25T14:44:43 <DrakeLuce> I hope this isn't a beat-down or unallowed question, but:
157 2017-05-25T14:45:25 <DrakeLuce> I'm interested in writing my own cryptocurrency, from scratch, without using any existing source code. I've got a good understanding of the language I'm writing it in, so no worries there
158 2017-05-25T14:46:05 <DrakeLuce> Just curious if there's any existing good articles on the mechanisms of a scrypt (or sha256) currency, and how they interact
159 2017-05-25T14:46:18 <DrakeLuce> Not looking for a step-by-step tutorial or anything. :)
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161 2017-05-25T14:54:46 <DrakeLuce> (this is for educational purposes, I'm not looking to make a serious altcoin or anything. Just want to more intimately understand cryptocurrencies)
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166 2017-05-25T15:26:46 <graingert> DrakeLuce: maybe make a bitcoin client?
167 2017-05-25T15:26:53 <graingert> DrakeLuce: that's from scratch
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169 2017-05-25T15:29:44 <graingert> is it possible to change PoW with a softfork?
170 2017-05-25T15:30:33 <graingert> eg clone bitcoin except it's got a different PoW, and you only get 10% of the block reward. Call this chain B. then all bitcoin blocks must mirror blocks from chain B.
171 2017-05-25T15:30:49 <graingert> except they get 90% of the block reward
172 2017-05-25T15:32:47 <graingert> then the main bitcoin chain can't go faster than chain B. and we can gradually move the block reward to 100% on chain B. and the bitcoin blockchain difficulty should just drop to 0
173 2017-05-25T15:33:08 <graingert> eg after 7 years
174 2017-05-25T15:33:42 <DrakeLuce> graingert: Well, a client and associated chain, I mean
175 2017-05-25T15:33:57 <graingert> DrakeLuce: why not just be a bitcoin client
176 2017-05-25T15:34:07 <graingert> then you get all the fun and it's a legit currency
177 2017-05-25T15:34:37 <DrakeLuce> Because I want to learn the intricacies of hashing, merkle trees, proof of work, etc
178 2017-05-25T15:34:42 <DrakeLuce> I'm in it to learn
179 2017-05-25T15:34:42 <DrakeLuce> :p
180 2017-05-25T15:35:27 <graingert> but if you make it a bitcoin client you'll get help in this channel
181 2017-05-25T15:35:29 <graingert> maybe
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183 2017-05-25T15:35:47 <DrakeLuce> I suppose, but that's not really what I'm after
184 2017-05-25T15:35:51 <DrakeLuce> Haha
185 2017-05-25T15:37:41 <DrakeLuce> Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean
186 2017-05-25T15:37:52 <DrakeLuce> Do you mean, a client that operates on the existing bitcoin blockchain?
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193 2017-05-25T15:59:18 <graingert> DrakeLuce: yes
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195 2017-05-25T16:09:28 <graingert> BlueMatt: pow change soft fork ^ ?
196 2017-05-25T16:39:07 <goatpig> you could but it's damn ugly
197 2017-05-25T16:39:26 <goatpig> and requires a lot of shoving data in the coinbase
198 2017-05-25T16:39:32 <goatpig> which is already crowded enough
199 2017-05-25T16:39:45 <goatpig> it's fairly unsafe too
200 2017-05-25T16:42:27 <BlueMatt> graingert: its not really a "soft fork", cause the old-pow part can move faster than the "new-pow" chain to nodes which are not enforcing the soft fork
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203 2017-05-25T16:42:43 <BlueMatt> so you're like slowly phasing in a hf, and hoping incentives work out to make it a soft fork for a while
204 2017-05-25T16:43:39 <graingert> goatpig: you don't need any data in the coinbase because the block should just mirror the B chain
205 2017-05-25T16:44:32 <graingert> so there's an implicit releationship preserved by nodes enforcing the soft fork
206 2017-05-25T16:44:38 <graingert> BlueMatt: true
207 2017-05-25T16:44:45 <graingert> oh well I'll keep mulling on it
208 2017-05-25T16:45:13 <graingert> BlueMatt: are there any discussions for this sort of thing where people have already done that?
209 2017-05-25T16:45:22 <goatpig> regardless of how you deliver the the new pow, it's unsafe because nodes that aren't aware of the SF will see a weak old chain
210 2017-05-25T16:45:27 <graingert> already thought through and discussed the problems *
211 2017-05-25T16:45:36 <goatpig> and suddenly there's a whole lot of hardware for hte legacy pow laying around doing nothing
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