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169 2017-07-12T16:39:58 <waxwing> how does the estimatefee rpc change for segwit? i know it's supposed to be fee per weight in segwit, but what unit will it use, or is there some new rpc call?
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171 2017-07-12T17:02:33 <instagibbs> waxwing, no change at all
172 2017-07-12T17:02:43 <instagibbs> it's virtual transaction size, which includes discount
173 2017-07-12T17:03:04 <instagibbs> basically the weight/4, or there abouts
174 2017-07-12T17:03:09 <waxwing> right, got it
175 2017-07-12T17:03:24 <waxwing> oh hang on, why 'thereabouts'?
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182 2017-07-12T17:34:32 <instagibbs> some sigops counting stuff something something
183 2017-07-12T17:35:46 <instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/policy/policy.cpp#L252
184 2017-07-12T17:35:53 <synapse> Been trying to find the answer to this but no luck. I often see mentioned "the bitcoin network" and "broadcast to the network". Now what magic is going on behind the scenes when you hit submit and broadcast to the network? Specifically, is there a single address that points to this network? I'm a little confused...what constitutes the network? a bunch of servers or what?
185 2017-07-12T17:39:41 <arubi> synapse, you just tell everyone you're connected with
186 2017-07-12T17:39:41 <arubi> and they tell others connected to them
187 2017-07-12T17:39:55 <arubi> maybe "announce to the network" is better
188 2017-07-12T17:40:32 <synapse> ok but who are you announcing to? Is there an address and a port?
189 2017-07-12T17:40:42 <waxwing> instagibbs: oh, thanks
190 2017-07-12T17:41:43 <arubi> synapse, it's like any other software on the internet, so yes an address and port
191 2017-07-12T17:42:43 <arubi> you're telling other nodes connected to you. they might run any node software they like
192 2017-07-12T17:43:00 <arubi> assuming the first "hello" between you went ok, they'll do whatever they want with your transaction (relay, drop, keep..)
193 2017-07-12T17:43:18 <synapse> so basically these nodes represent computers that are running the bitcoin wallet?
194 2017-07-12T17:43:44 <arubi> most folks run normal nodes so eventually a transaction you relay to your peers is propagated to almost all the network
195 2017-07-12T17:43:57 <arubi> yea, hopefully :)
196 2017-07-12T17:46:55 <synapse> thanks arubi it's a little clearer
197 2017-07-12T17:47:01 <arubi> np
198 2017-07-12T17:48:21 <synapse> Besides from the bitcoin wallets that run on a computer does anything else contribute to becoming a node in the network
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200 2017-07-12T17:50:51 <arubi> like what? you really can't tell a potato running a small device that only does handshakes from a full node
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202 2017-07-12T17:52:53 <arubi> I'm exaggerating probably. a very passive node might be detectable if you track it for a while, but still
203 2017-07-12T17:55:43 <synapse> sorry arubi your last comments have thrown me
204 2017-07-12T17:55:50 <waxwing> synapse: there's a range of different nodes, some normal Bitcoin Core wallets, some not actually wallets but acting on behalf of *other* software that runs a wallet (like a mobile wallet that looks at the user's own node), some wallets are literally just collecting data on other nodes and have no connection to any wallet. then businesses may have more complex setups, mining pools etc..
205 2017-07-12T18:00:52 <synapse> waxwing thanks for your insight
206 2017-07-12T18:01:33 <waxwing> sorry 'some wallets are literally..' should read 'some nodes are literally...'
207 2017-07-12T18:02:02 <arubi> oh sorry, yea what waxwing said :)
208 2017-07-12T18:02:44 <waxwing> tfw you type a number in the search bar and the right BIP comes up :)
209 2017-07-12T18:03:03 <arubi> eg this peer is always connected to me:
210 2017-07-12T18:03:03 <arubi> 17880 "127.0.0.1:39230" 21:01 8.32e+04 1.72e+05 17:26,11/07 0.56 "/bitnodes.bitcoin-russia.ru:0.0.1f/
211 2017-07-12T18:03:12 <arubi> :)
212 2017-07-12T18:03:23 <arubi> and I can't even ban it because it's inbound
213 2017-07-12T18:03:26 <waxwing> oh i get that bitcoin-russia one basically all the time too
214 2017-07-12T18:04:04 <arubi> onlynet=onion
215 2017-07-12T18:04:13 <Dizzle> For example, you can compile Bitcoin Core without wallet support. It can't generate and manage private keys, but it will repeat transactions and blocks that it deems valid to its peers.
216 2017-07-12T18:05:05 <arubi> I boot it specifically, and it reconnects within seconds
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