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24 2017-08-21T01:49:31 <esotericnonsense> reading the LN paper https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf
25 2017-08-21T01:49:50 <esotericnonsense> in section 3.1.1 a refund transaction is created from a 2of2 multisig before the 2of2 multisig is signed
26 2017-08-21T01:50:24 <esotericnonsense> to clarify my understanding, is it the case that this assumes segwit (because otherwise you cannot know the txid)
27 2017-08-21T01:51:54 <esotericnonsense> facepalm. looks like 3.1.2 explains this :P
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31 2017-08-21T02:20:04 <esotericnonsense> okay, so essentially, 'by default' a segwit transaction id is not dependent on the signatures ('witness') e.g. segregated witness, that's just how it works
32 2017-08-21T02:21:53 <esotericnonsense> SIGHASH_NOINPUT can essentially be used to create a sort of 'blank cheque' transaction which allows the spending of any input for which the sigscript returns
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35 2017-08-21T02:25:29 <esotericnonsense> i'm a bit confused as to what makes it necessary though. if the 2of2 txid is set in stone before it is signed, then the input for the 'refund transaction' can be known and so this tx can be signed before the other one?
36 2017-08-21T02:25:52 <esotericnonsense> am I missing something blindingly obvious?
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38 2017-08-21T02:29:12 <esotericnonsense> ahhh.. hang on now. is the idea that pre-segwit, you would need something like SIGHASH_NOINPUT
39 2017-08-21T02:29:22 <esotericnonsense> because in that case you wouldn't know the parent txid yet
40 2017-08-21T02:32:16 <esotericnonsense> but with it - all that it achieves is that the refund tx does not need to be resigned every time the non-witness part of the parent tx changes (i.e. the amounts assigned to A and B change)
41 2017-08-21T02:32:34 <esotericnonsense> so it is not _necessary_ but useful
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79 2017-08-21T04:55:28 <eddiewang> Hi all! Does anyone here have experience setting up a multi-region mining pool?
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97 2017-08-21T06:35:07 <wallet42> hi, can someone please explain to me the difference between -reindex and -reindex-chainstate ?
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130 2017-08-21T08:31:13 <wumpus> reindex rebuilds the block database and chainstate, reindex-chainstate just the chainstate
131 2017-08-21T08:31:37 <wumpus> so the latter is slightly faster
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168 2017-08-21T12:30:33 <nazarewk> is it possible to purge all moves out of wallet.dat?
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170 2017-08-21T12:51:10 <nazarewk> (i've account which has -2.6 btc but does not correspond to any real bitcoins)
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173 2017-08-21T13:08:23 <sturles> As a workaround, you can move 2.6 BTC to the account to zero it.
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176 2017-08-21T13:12:57 <nazarewk> move from where?
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180 2017-08-21T13:22:57 <sturles> E.g. "". The default account.
181 2017-08-21T13:23:30 <sturles> Or from wherever you can take a positive balance.
182 2017-08-21T13:24:39 <nazarewk> well there is nowhere i can take positive balance
183 2017-08-21T13:25:17 <nazarewk> my default account equals sum of listunspent
184 2017-08-21T13:25:26 <nazarewk> and there is only one other account with negative balance
185 2017-08-21T13:25:43 <sturles> Oh. Strange.
186 2017-08-21T13:26:05 <nazarewk> i think there was some bug at some point
187 2017-08-21T13:26:09 <nazarewk> like 1.5 years ago
188 2017-08-21T13:26:12 <nazarewk> where moves fucked up accounts
189 2017-08-21T13:26:19 <molz> "account" is deprecated
190 2017-08-21T13:26:29 <molz> and yes "move" is deprecated
191 2017-08-21T13:26:51 <nazarewk> i know
192 2017-08-21T13:27:02 <nazarewk> the service doesn't work on accounts for a year
193 2017-08-21T13:27:03 <molz> i think your coin is still in your wallet, just the account is messed up
194 2017-08-21T13:27:14 <nazarewk> i already know this, i wonder how can i fix this
195 2017-08-21T13:27:28 <molz> just don't use "account"
196 2017-08-21T13:28:47 <nazarewk> also i wonder why listsinceblock doesn't sum up to getbalance()
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199 2017-08-21T13:46:48 <IntheVibe> Hello how do I install a Linux node?
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201 2017-08-21T13:48:24 <IntheVibe> :(
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205 2017-08-21T13:54:51 <sturles> nazarewk: Do you have any watch-only addresses?
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339 2017-08-21T23:39:20 <volure> Ok, so I know bitcoin cash is a new thing to deal with. but my server is now telling me warning='7 of last 100 blocks have unexpected version'
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341 2017-08-21T23:39:27 <volure> is this something that can be fixed with an upgrade ?
342 2017-08-21T23:39:58 <abpa> It will be fixed in November
343 2017-08-21T23:40:21 <volure> ok
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