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171 2017-08-30T13:08:57 <nazarewk> how can i discover transaction involving only change addresses?
172 2017-08-30T13:09:34 <nazarewk> (i've made a CPFP involving change address and it doesn't display anywhere unless i tell it exact txid in gettransaction)
173 2017-08-30T13:13:20 <nazarewk> but i still lost fee on this transaction
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196 2017-08-30T15:45:30 <esotericnonsense> #lnd
197 2017-08-30T15:45:34 <esotericnonsense> oops. sorry
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246 2017-08-30T18:35:31 <ddustin> If the blocksize was increased tremendously, would the Nonce in the block header also be increased to avoid recalculating the merkle root so often?
247 2017-08-30T18:35:52 <ddustin> Or would calculating the merkle root still be a negligible overhead
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249 2017-08-30T18:39:11 <CryptAxe> Does the nonce effect the merkle tree?
250 2017-08-30T18:40:30 <CryptAxe> As far as I know, regardless of block size, the nonce value will continue to serve its purpose while remaining at 4 bytes
251 2017-08-30T18:40:46 <CryptAxe> We wouldn't have to change the hashing algo just because the block size limit changes
252 2017-08-30T18:40:52 <esotericnonsense> ddustin: are you imagining that on each hash cycle the transactions would be different?
253 2017-08-30T18:41:29 <esotericnonsense> ddustin: this is basically impossible due to the speed of sha256 on custom hardware (in fact i'd guess even on a standard x86 cpu)
254 2017-08-30T18:41:50 <CryptAxe> Yeah you would be slowing your miners down to a crawl if you did that
255 2017-08-30T18:42:14 <esotericnonsense> ah hang on I understand now
256 2017-08-30T18:42:31 <esotericnonsense> you're talking about extranonce going into the merkle hash
257 2017-08-30T18:44:33 <CryptAxe> the extra nonce is usually only changed when you wrap the nonce though. Most miners just change nTime to get more nonce space
258 2017-08-30T18:45:17 <CryptAxe> The extra nonce goes into the generation input and doesn't have any meaning in the protocol so I see no reason that the block size would effect that either
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260 2017-08-30T18:47:35 <CryptAxe> ddustin so what you are saying is that with HUGE blocks, there are going to be a lot of tx's. So incrementing extra nonce actually takes a bit of time. In that case, you could just increment nTime instead and not have to calculate the merkle root again
261 2017-08-30T18:48:24 <ddustin> Yeah exactly
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264 2017-08-30T18:49:13 <ddustin> So nonce + nTime is enough to keep up with hashing speed now and probably forever?
265 2017-08-30T18:49:56 <ddustin> My quick math implies that it wouldn't be
266 2017-08-30T18:50:42 <ddustin> 32 bits in nonce means about 2.1 GH/s
267 2017-08-30T18:50:49 <CryptAxe> Well you can use nTime to get a pretty huge amount of potential hashes, but if you had to you could also mess with the extra nonce
268 2017-08-30T18:51:21 <CryptAxe> You'd want to avoid recalculating the merkle root as much as possible but even with big blocks I don't think it would take that long
269 2017-08-30T18:51:47 <CryptAxe> The real time sucker with big blocks would be script validation and stuff, calculating the merkle root should be really fast
270 2017-08-30T18:52:08 <ddustin> Makes sense
271 2017-08-30T18:52:50 <CryptAxe> I guess the nonce field could be made 8 bytes if it becomes a big problem
272 2017-08-30T18:53:02 <CryptAxe> I think people would really resist blocks big enough that they cause that issue
273 2017-08-30T18:53:33 <CryptAxe> Honestly someone else is probably going to find a block before you start messing with the extra nonce but who knows
274 2017-08-30T18:54:51 <ddustin> If your miner is calculating more 2.1 GH/s, than the nTime second counter wouldn't provide enough combinations to keep up with your hash rate
275 2017-08-30T18:55:12 <ddustin> I imagine mining pools must run into this already
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277 2017-08-30T18:56:06 <ddustin> I guess they're just sitting around calculating tons of headers with different merkle hashes and pumping them out to miners?
278 2017-08-30T18:56:54 <ddustin> Which I guess if you want to include as many transactions as possible in your block, you'd be doing anyway.. hm. Maybe that solves the problem on its own
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285 2017-08-30T19:18:59 <CryptAxe> ddustin the pools generally don't change around what transactions they will include very often per block as far as I know
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