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31 2017-09-19T01:41:57 <cluelessperson> petertod d's bitcoinlib doesn't support segwit yet. so my bot doesn't find it
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33 2017-09-19T01:44:08 <cluelessperson> I'll do some stuff
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204 2017-09-19T14:17:28 <knaccc> gmaxwell I'm a contributor to Monero, and we were wondering if you might be willing to give us your quick thoughts on the statement you made in your CT paper: "Most importantly, this scheme is compatible with pruning and does not make the verification state for Bitcoin grow forever". We were wondering if you'd agree that it would make sense for Monero to prune all ring signatures and range proofs after a
205 2017-09-19T14:17:31 <knaccc> period of, say, 60 days, without putting the blockchain at risk.
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223 2017-09-19T15:23:48 <nikhatzi> Hello ppl. I'm following the gitian-building guide from github, but for some reason everytime I fail to build bitcoin-qt. It says that lqwindows cannot be found and it won't build the bitcoin frontend. Any help?
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266 2017-09-19T18:03:11 <dviola> when making backups, are there any downsides/disadvantages to overwriting old backups with new ones?
267 2017-09-19T18:04:20 <dviola> and is this even recommended?
268 2017-09-19T18:04:35 <dviola> so I don't have to create different copies of the backup files, e.g. wallet-2017-09-19.dat, etc
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270 2017-09-19T18:06:31 <esotericnonsense> dviola: one disadvantage of overwriting is that if they're not 'of the same wallet' (e.g. you had some other wallet.dat) then you could nuke the wrong one by mistake
271 2017-09-19T18:07:09 <esotericnonsense> dviola: it shouldn't be necessary to constantly back it up if it's a HD wallet though, you will lose new labels and such but that's all
272 2017-09-19T18:11:35 <dviola> esotericnonsense: you mean that opening a wallet.dat that was created by an older version of core and overwriting that with a newer version could result in a problem?
273 2017-09-19T18:12:06 <esotericnonsense> dviola: no, i mean that you mix up actually different wallets
274 2017-09-19T18:12:36 <dviola> hrm
275 2017-09-19T18:13:01 <dviola> I don't think I'll ever do that, I'll probably be on the latest version most of the time
276 2017-09-19T18:15:48 <dviola> but yeah, I see now why it could be a good thing to have different backup copies like that
277 2017-09-19T18:16:07 <dviola> thanks
278 2017-09-19T18:40:24 <dviola> esotericnonsense: by 'different wallets' do you mean loading different wallet.dat at the same time or different versions of Core on different computers?
279 2017-09-19T18:42:54 <esotericnonsense> dviola: i mean actually different wallets with different addresses in
280 2017-09-19T18:43:23 <esotericnonsense> in the HD case, wallets which have different seeds
281 2017-09-19T18:43:46 <dviola> oh
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283 2017-09-19T18:44:16 <esotericnonsense> (and also different addresses, just trying to make clear what I mean by different, no set overlap)
284 2017-09-19T18:45:11 <dviola> it makes sense now, thanks
285 2017-09-19T18:45:36 <dviola> I only have one address right now, in that case overwriting can't be a problem right?
286 2017-09-19T18:45:48 <dviola> err
287 2017-09-19T18:45:49 <dviola> one wallet
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290 2017-09-19T18:50:43 <esotericnonsense> it's really up to you. one thing i would say is that testing backups could be useful here.
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296 2017-09-19T18:55:48 <esotericnonsense> an amusing thing - there's been at least one airdrop that i wasn't aware of until recently. clam coin - if you had a balance in an address in may 2014 then you could get some. they actually have a value (bonkers).
297 2017-09-19T18:57:54 <esotericnonsense> missed the cutoff here but it was vaguely similar to BCH (except instead of balances carrying over 1:1, there was a fixed amount per 'live' address).
298 2017-09-19T18:58:41 <esotericnonsense> who knows, maybe you'll learn of a silly altcoin but you've already deleted an old wallet cause it was empty. unlikely but eh.
299 2017-09-19T19:06:47 <arubi> "oops I sent to one of your old addresses by mistake teehee"
300 2017-09-19T19:06:55 <arubi> "what do you mean gone?"
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304 2017-09-19T19:16:17 <esotericnonsense> oh yeah, that too
305 2017-09-19T19:16:29 <esotericnonsense> *poof*
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313 2017-09-19T19:31:20 <dviola> I don't see how I could lose anything if I have only 1 wallet and I overwrite the backups
314 2017-09-19T19:31:56 <arubi> you might overwrite that file one time with a corrupt wallet
315 2017-09-19T19:32:05 <arubi> then there's no going back and you need a new one
316 2017-09-19T19:32:40 <arubi> say there wasn't a lot in it, but still people have these addresses. they're not supposed to pay to them, you're not supposed to use them, but anything can happen
317 2017-09-19T19:34:42 <dviola> I see
318 2017-09-19T19:34:46 <dviola> good point
319 2017-09-19T19:35:17 <ossifrage> dviola, storage is free, just save multiple backups (I save all my backups)
320 2017-09-19T19:35:57 <dviola> yep, thanks
321 2017-09-19T19:36:54 <ossifrage> The wallet files are tiny, you can fit a shitload of wallet.dat files in a $10 USB key, so why not just save every backup
322 2017-09-19T19:36:59 <dviola> I will
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327 2017-09-19T19:46:09 <dviola> storage is not my problem, what if you add the name of the file wrong and then you have trouble finding out "what was the most recent backup I had?"
328 2017-09-19T19:46:13 <dviola> could that be an issue?
329 2017-09-19T19:46:24 <esotericnonsense> stat wallet*.dat
330 2017-09-19T19:46:35 <esotericnonsense> also you could create a script to name it
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332 2017-09-19T19:48:25 <esotericnonsense> make the backup, mv -i wallet.dat{,.$(date +"%Y%m%d")}
333 2017-09-19T19:48:37 <arubi> "/path/to/bkp/wallet.dat.$(date '+%d_%m_%y_%H_%M')"
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335 2017-09-19T19:49:31 <arubi> it's probably also written in the wallet.dat file itself if you dump it with bdb tools :)
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337 2017-09-19T19:51:04 <esotericnonsense> yeah
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339 2017-09-19T19:52:02 <esotericnonsense> i was kind of thinking that it'd be nice to have wallet.dat automatically name itself based on some characteristic like a hash of the seed (then it's harder to mix them up), but it's complicated because wallets can have all sorts in them
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341 2017-09-19T19:53:43 <esotericnonsense> you do it and then someone goes and imports a privkey and suddenly 'wallet-abcde.dat' is no longer covered by an old 'wallet-abcde.dat' backup
342 2017-09-19T19:54:14 <arubi> most grief is due to a cumbersome restore method I think
343 2017-09-19T19:54:19 <dviola> thanks guys
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345 2017-09-19T19:55:08 <arubi> now with HD wallets you could technically get everything back (well, keys and transactions only really)
346 2017-09-19T19:55:37 <arubi> still need a proper procedure for the metadata and scripts if you use any, that has to be done with timely backups still
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348 2017-09-19T19:57:11 <arubi> really it all comes down to what the wallet is willing to consider as "yours" and for it to be able to solve that interesting "mine" script on its own so it'll tell me "these are your coins"
349 2017-09-19T19:57:52 <arubi> with bare pubkeys, canonical scripts, easy. p2(w)sh? doh.
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356 2017-09-19T20:29:12 <privateglacier> Hi guys, I extended Glacier protocol (a python script that uses Bitcoin Core for storing multi-sig bitcoin private key securely) with some security improvements, but I wasn't able to find a person to review my small change so far, because none of my friends understand Bitcoin enough. Do you have some suggestions who I could ask to review it? The code change is here (only the glacierscript.py is interesting):
357 2017-09-19T20:29:14 <privateglacier> https://github.com/GlacierProtocol/GlacierProtocol/compare/master...privateglacier:master
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