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 44 2017-10-04T03:32:27  <alexwaters> er up-to-date
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202 2017-10-04T15:22:51  <waxwing> Bit of a forlorn question, anyone got a clue why 53b8e28a5f2bddb167a7f7a3685808ff3101fc21b737349e4a950933fb36a8c9 is not confirming (been 3 hours now, about 9 blocks or so)?
203 2017-10-04T15:24:37  <arubi> ah testnet, weird but my node doesn't have it
204 2017-10-04T15:24:52  <waxwing> interesting. it's on smartbits.
205 2017-10-04T15:25:27  <waxwing> i'm looking for segwit txs in the last block and i can't find any
206 2017-10-04T15:26:03  <arubi> do wtxid commitments exist at all?
207 2017-10-04T15:26:06  <arubi> (let's see)
208 2017-10-04T15:27:20  <arubi> seems like that recent block don't have a commitment even, so probably not mining segwit on purpose
209 2017-10-04T15:27:56  <arubi> some do but are empty
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211 2017-10-04T15:35:00  <waxwing> arubi, ah ok, of course that'd be a better way to check :)
212 2017-10-04T15:35:19  <waxwing> yeah it's kind of a worry that no one apart from me is complaining ..? or has everyone moved to a secret testnet4 and not told me?
213 2017-10-04T15:35:38  <arubi> hehe you know regtest is where all the fun happens
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216 2017-10-04T15:37:02  <arubi> but really I agree.  testnet is a mess.  I'm still running the node but at this point it's only taking up resources from me :(
217 2017-10-04T15:37:45  <waxwing> for some things it's just much better to have a real network
218 2017-10-04T15:38:38  <waxwing> not least because you actually want to do stuff with other people :) (in this case was just trying out a lightning node funding, oh well!)
219 2017-10-04T15:38:45  <waxwing> more like tortoise network at this rate
220 2017-10-04T15:39:15  <arubi> maybe a secret testnet isn't a bad idea
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233 2017-10-04T16:59:39  <waxwing> arubi, confirmed, only took 5 hours! what is this, bcash?
234 2017-10-04T17:00:30  <arubi> obviously it's better than bcash because the chain is longer, making it the real bitcoin
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299 2017-10-04T22:48:02  <vrs> I run bitcoin on debian testing and when I try to start either of bitcoind or bitcoin-qt, I get an error along the lines of bitcoind: symbol lookup error: bitcoind: undefined symbol: _ZNK8UniValue7findKeyERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
300 2017-10-04T22:48:23  <vrs> is this a known bug? it feels like it should affect more people
301 2017-10-04T22:50:13  <vrs> I've already looked for UniValue and it seems to be in bitcoin's own codebase, not something like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4799 which was a library problem
302 2017-10-04T22:56:43  <vrs> strace -e trace=file tells me it's loading a bunch of libraries, but the last lib is different depending on the binary I call, while the error is mostly the same
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304 2017-10-04T22:59:29  <vrs> https://pastebin.com/fsZYhQDj are the errors I get
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308 2017-10-04T23:05:55  <vrs> ah, I was using bitcoin from unstable while my system is testing
309 2017-10-04T23:07:50  <vrs> but how do I get a proper bitcoind on debian testing then
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311 2017-10-04T23:13:23  <esotericnonsense> vrs: do the binaries from bitcoin.org work? you could try compiling from source otherwise
312 2017-10-04T23:13:37  <vrs> this is specifically what I want to avoid when using debian
313 2017-10-04T23:13:45  <esotericnonsense> haha
314 2017-10-04T23:13:52  <esotericnonsense> this is specifically the reason that I stopped using debian
315 2017-10-04T23:13:55  <esotericnonsense> :P
316 2017-10-04T23:14:34  <vrs> I mean it's not that big a deal, I have other compiled stuff running, but the fewer packages I have to update manually, the better
317 2017-10-04T23:14:34  <esotericnonsense> (because getting a reasonably updated version of everything entailed either using unstable or compiling)
318 2017-10-04T23:15:15  <esotericnonsense> i think bitcoin is a unique case because updates should require more manual involvement than with other software anyway
319 2017-10-04T23:15:27  <esotericnonsense> (i'm against autoupdate mechanisms for bitcoin)
320 2017-10-04T23:15:49  <vrs> I'm a casual user, it just serves as a backend to armory in my case
321 2017-10-04T23:16:29  <esotericnonsense> there's a PPA that is maintained for ubuntu, is there a way to use PPA's with debian? (it's been probably 5+ years since I last used deb)
322 2017-10-04T23:16:47  <vrs> yes I can just add it but that's icky
323 2017-10-04T23:17:31  <esotericnonsense> icky in what way? you want the latest upstream rather than what debian is currently packaging, seems like a reasonable way to do it
324 2017-10-04T23:17:47  <vrs> it's mixing distros
325 2017-10-04T23:17:54  <esotericnonsense> hehehe
326 2017-10-04T23:18:11  * esotericnonsense recalls #debian telling him years ago that mixing stable/testing/unstable was a frankendebian :P
327 2017-10-04T23:18:20  <vrs> it's Bad, it's why you get symbol lookup errors like the one I did
328 2017-10-04T23:18:25  <esotericnonsense> yeah
329 2017-10-04T23:18:44  <esotericnonsense> if they don't provide a stable backport and others don't work, i don't see a way around compiling it
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