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8 2017-11-19T01:22:00 <satwo> Is every tx in the mempool a descendant and ancestor of itself? I'm trying to get a handle on the data returned from GetRawMempool (Verbose) when using JSON RCP
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51 2017-11-19T06:49:03 <melik> hmmm, looks like ifconfig and /etc/rc.local were deprecated in Debian 9 -- re: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/docs/blob/master/gitian-building/gitian-building-setup-gitian-debian.md
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54 2017-11-19T07:01:52 <melik> hmmm something weird with lxc: init.lxc: failed to mount /dev/shm : No such file or directory
55 2017-11-19T07:06:31 <melik> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/150
56 2017-11-19T07:07:07 <melik> ill push commits to replace any instances of ifconfig with brctl/ip
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109 2017-11-19T12:39:34 <txter> The transaction hash, is that a hash of the whole raw transaction?
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113 2017-11-19T12:52:01 <txter> That is, is this correct?
114 2017-11-19T12:52:04 <txter> 1. The transaction is sent raw to other peers (serialized in hex format).
115 2017-11-19T12:52:10 <txter> 2. In that raw transaction there is a hashed 'txid' of the previous output raw transaction proving the ownership of the coins.
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129 2017-11-19T14:19:37 <luke-jr> melik: Debian went off the systemd deep end; suggest switching to Devuan
130 2017-11-19T14:19:46 <luke-jr> txter: this is not a channel for altcoin dev supportp
131 2017-11-19T14:30:23 <jaromil> luke-jr: <3 we have also the right version of berkleydb in the pipeline for Devuan ASCII
132 2017-11-19T14:31:34 <jaromil> melik: if you need help with porting the gitian build to Devuan, there are developers here who can help, me included.
133 2017-11-19T14:33:22 <txter> luke-jr: I'm asking in regards to Bitcoin core
134 2017-11-19T14:49:07 <luke-jr> txter: you're sneakily not disclosing you're trying to make an altcoin
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136 2017-11-19T15:09:24 <txter> luke-jr: I'm on other alt-coin channels, but I am reading through Mastering Bitcoin right now. I've just finished reading chapter 6 on transactions. One thing that is not covered is how transactions are persisted.
137 2017-11-19T15:09:46 <txter> My question has nothing to do with alt coins, it's about how Bitcoin persists transactions in leveldb
138 2017-11-19T15:09:54 <txter> :)
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150 2017-11-19T16:27:32 <Michail1> If you setup a new full node, will setting it to prune (550) mean it will prune as the data comes in, or does it have to download entire chain and then finally prune?
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152 2017-11-19T16:41:22 <txter> This is said about prune in Mastering Bitcoin: 'Prune: Reduce the disk space requirements to this many megabytes, by deleting old blocks. Use this on a resource-constrained node that can't fit the full blockchain'
153 2017-11-19T16:41:42 <txter> So I'm guessing you will not have to get all the blockchain first, as it is for nodes that can not fit the whole thing
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156 2017-11-19T16:45:58 <Michail1> That doesn't answer the question.
157 2017-11-19T16:46:28 <arubi> it prunes as it goes
158 2017-11-19T16:46:48 <Michail1> I understand what it does, but is it afterthefact (Meaning, must download the 150GB first then prune, or it will prune as the data is coming in).
159 2017-11-19T16:46:55 <Michail1> arubi - thankis.
160 2017-11-19T16:46:59 <arubi> yw
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162 2017-11-19T16:48:36 <txter> Why does prune need you to first download 150gb of data when it's there so nodes that specifically can't store 150gb can continue working?
163 2017-11-19T16:49:13 <Michail1> txter - Just a note though.... Yes, you will have to download the entire chain. There isn't the ability yet (that I know of) in which you can start at a certain point. Probably an update in the future though when someone can simply start from Jan 1st, 2015 as a start point from a download of a verified chainstate/uxto, etc. It will happen.
164 2017-11-19T16:49:13 <arubi> you download so you can verify it
165 2017-11-19T16:51:20 <spinza> you download, verify and delete keeping only the last X GB as specified in pruning options
166 2017-11-19T16:51:27 <txter> what if you set prune to 150mb, and as soon as you hit 150mb of chain data it stars discarding earlier data. So when you finally get to this point in time you have 150mb of chain data and you know it's valid since you technically downloaded the whole chain but only keypt around 150mb
167 2017-11-19T16:51:59 <txter> yeah, basically what spinza said
168 2017-11-19T16:52:36 <arubi> that's how it works, only the minimum is 550mb
169 2017-11-19T16:52:53 <spinza> i thouhght the minimum was like 5GB
170 2017-11-19T16:53:25 <txter> Makes sense to have a minimum
171 2017-11-19T16:53:26 <arubi> for pruning it's 550mb, but aside from the chain there are other databases that you can't prune so it ends up taking a few gbs
172 2017-11-19T16:55:15 <txter> Which databases are that?
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174 2017-11-19T16:56:57 <arubi> utxo database, wallet..
175 2017-11-19T16:57:03 <txter> I'm reading through Mastering Bitcoin and there is one thing I'm trying to figure out that's not in the book, and that is how data is persisted. In my mind after reading the chapter on transactions I thought the key store db stored: key: txid -> value: raw transactoin in HEX
176 2017-11-19T16:57:23 <txter> but then where would blocks fit in
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178 2017-11-19T16:58:06 <arubi> well we just talked about how blocks can be pruned :)
179 2017-11-19T16:58:42 <spinza> what data?
180 2017-11-19T17:01:12 <txter> Well. If I send a transaction to another node, it's going to be put into the mempool (if I remember correctly). There I'm guessing the key value store is (key: txid, value: raw transaction). Is that the leveldb database?
181 2017-11-19T17:01:33 <txter> then there must be another database for the actual chain. Is that a relational one?
182 2017-11-19T17:02:01 <txter> I'm just asking these questions cause I havent finished reading the book (currently on chapter 6), but I'm going to look at the bitcoin code after I finish the book
183 2017-11-19T17:03:03 <arubi> I think it's better to look at code now
184 2017-11-19T17:04:37 <txter> Yeah I might take a look after this chapter. Will probably fill in the blanks
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215 2017-11-19T19:17:46 <firelegend> Hi all, I created a new bitcoin wallet, unencrypted, I generated an address and immediately tried dump the private key, however I am met with error code - 5
216 2017-11-19T19:17:51 <firelegend> Any reason for this?
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218 2017-11-19T19:20:18 <arubi> is that reproducible?
219 2017-11-19T19:21:18 <firelegend> Reproducible how?
220 2017-11-19T19:21:32 <firelegend> I tried many times, generated a new address, same thing
221 2017-11-19T19:21:48 <firelegend> I use the request payment box to get a new address
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223 2017-11-19T19:22:01 <firelegend> And then the console for dumpprivkey
224 2017-11-19T19:22:05 <arubi> what's the exact error say?
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226 2017-11-19T19:22:19 <firelegend> Invalid bitcoin address error code - 5
227 2017-11-19T19:23:17 <firelegend> Perhaps these addresses are from compressed Public keys?
228 2017-11-19T19:23:28 <arubi> of course they are
229 2017-11-19T19:23:32 <firelegend> Ah
230 2017-11-19T19:23:44 <firelegend> So then dumpprivkey requires uncompressed?
231 2017-11-19T19:23:50 <arubi> no?
232 2017-11-19T19:23:58 <firelegend> Then not sure why it doesn't work
233 2017-11-19T19:24:04 <arubi> do 'validateaddress <address>'
234 2017-11-19T19:24:12 <arubi> see if errors on invalid address
235 2017-11-19T19:24:47 <firelegend> Says false
236 2017-11-19T19:24:59 <firelegend> As in isvalid is false
237 2017-11-19T19:25:06 <arubi> I'm not sure what you're pasting in there, but it's not addresses
238 2017-11-19T19:25:21 <firelegend> No way, it ia
239 2017-11-19T19:25:23 <firelegend> Is
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241 2017-11-19T19:25:27 <arubi> maybe you have 'bitcoin-cli' in your path and it's a symlink to testnet or an altcoin
242 2017-11-19T19:25:35 <firelegend> Hmm
243 2017-11-19T19:25:41 <firelegend> That's plausible wait
244 2017-11-19T19:28:10 <firelegend> Does not seem to be in my path
245 2017-11-19T19:28:24 <arubi> alias?
246 2017-11-19T19:28:26 <firelegend> Perhaps it's because I am using a different datadir?
247 2017-11-19T19:28:38 <arubi> well what's in ~/.bitcoin.conf ?
248 2017-11-19T19:28:54 <arubi> if it's not an alias, not a wrapper, not a symlink, then it's reading that ^
249 2017-11-19T19:29:14 <arubi> er, ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
250 2017-11-19T19:29:34 <firelegend> But I've set a datadir on the command line parameters
251 2017-11-19T19:29:51 <firelegend> Also I'm on Windows
252 2017-11-19T19:30:36 <arubi> oh, try `bitcoin-cli getblockchaininfo`, what does it say for bestblockhash ?
253 2017-11-19T19:32:37 <firelegend> Alright just a sec
254 2017-11-19T19:35:13 <firelegend> https://pastebin.com/uw4Q4wxD
255 2017-11-19T19:36:46 <arubi> can you post a throwaway example of an address that you passed to validateaddress and returned isvalid : false ?
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257 2017-11-19T19:38:02 <arubi> very weird. I really don't understand where armory's p2sh-p2pk, or whatever it might be relates to all of this
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259 2017-11-19T19:41:48 <firelegend> I run bitcoin core qt
260 2017-11-19T19:41:53 <firelegend> Version 0.14.2
261 2017-11-19T19:41:58 <arubi> oh disregard the armory comment, I got confused with the guy in #bitcoin
262 2017-11-19T19:42:02 <arubi> yea
263 2017-11-19T19:43:01 <arubi> firelegend, an example of what goes into validateaddress and fails will be helpful. are you running other daemons at all?
264 2017-11-19T19:43:13 <arubi> if they're on the same rpc port, it might interfere
265 2017-11-19T19:45:46 <firelegend> Not that I'm aware of, no
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267 2017-11-19T19:50:40 <firelegend> Is it possible bitcoin core at doesn't pass the datadir parameter to cli?
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270 2017-11-19T19:55:24 <firelegend> Hmm weird
271 2017-11-19T19:55:39 <firelegend> .it seems to work now after restarting it twice
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276 2017-11-19T20:01:45 <firelegend> Seems like after generating a new address it takes a while for it to appear with dumpprivkey
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278 2017-11-19T20:04:52 <arubi> I haven't tried generate && dump one after another, but it makes sense that accessing these things can take more than a microsecond
279 2017-11-19T20:06:51 <firelegend> A few minutes
280 2017-11-19T20:08:00 <firelegend> I'm doing this by hand
281 2017-11-19T20:08:11 <firelegend> So Def a few seconds in between
282 2017-11-19T20:10:37 <arubi> well good to know. I mostly stress testing core using regtest, and the datadir is in /dev/shm, so I don't experience a lot of these quirks
283 2017-11-19T20:10:54 <arubi> I'm*
284 2017-11-19T20:11:00 <firelegend> Uhm it's not a test
285 2017-11-19T20:11:07 <arubi> yea I figure
286 2017-11-19T20:11:23 <arubi> that's why I'm assuming I never encountered it
287 2017-11-19T20:11:26 <firelegend> I am simply trying to generate an address, make sure I have the key and send some BTC there
288 2017-11-19T20:11:39 <arubi> well, if you generated it, you do have the key
289 2017-11-19T20:11:52 <arubi> it's enough to run validateaddress
290 2017-11-19T20:11:58 <arubi> it'll say "ismine : true"
291 2017-11-19T20:12:06 <firelegend> Paranoia, plan to use cash and sell it, while making sure my BTC stay safe
292 2017-11-19T20:12:08 <arubi> even better, "solvable : true"
293 2017-11-19T20:12:32 <arubi> paranoia should divert you from dumping private keys
294 2017-11-19T20:13:56 <firelegend> I'm afraid that while this bug occurs, or quirk, neither dumpprivkey work nor validateaddress
295 2017-11-19T20:14:06 <arubi> hm I guess it doesn't say about solvable, where did I see it..
296 2017-11-19T20:14:24 <firelegend> Because they return isvalid:false
297 2017-11-19T20:14:40 <arubi> well, you still haven't posted an example of what you're passing to it
298 2017-11-19T20:14:54 <firelegend> Just the bit on address
299 2017-11-19T20:15:11 <arubi> can you generate a throwaway address and paste it?
300 2017-11-19T20:15:58 <firelegend> 12fG2krj6iEr1GEzGdScERM5Ec9PYXtvX2
301 2017-11-19T20:16:19 <arubi> whaddaya know, it's invalid
302 2017-11-19T20:16:29 <arubi> maybe you have malware :)
303 2017-11-19T20:17:17 <arubi> the first bytes are "1234", comon
304 2017-11-19T20:18:10 <firelegend> Sorry?
305 2017-11-19T20:20:29 <arubi> firelegend, if you don't know what I'm talking about, I suggest you completely reinstall your operating system
306 2017-11-19T20:21:12 <firelegend> Pretty sure I am clean
307 2017-11-19T20:22:03 <arubi> wait
308 2017-11-19T20:22:45 <arubi> yea, my fault. I was bit by my own symlinks..
309 2017-11-19T20:23:35 <arubi> man that's some coincidence.. I thought you were trolling, the first two bytes of the hash160 is 12, 34.. it seemed so artificial
310 2017-11-19T20:24:11 <arubi> firelegend, the address is valid. I'm not sure what's been passed through to bitcoin-cli. can you pase the full command?
311 2017-11-19T20:24:15 <firelegend> Well I am not
312 2017-11-19T20:24:55 <arubi> yea, there's 1 to 2^16 chance of it being an hones 12, 34 address, and it is. please don't blame me :)
313 2017-11-19T20:25:04 <arubi> s/hones/honest/
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315 2017-11-19T20:26:15 <firelegend> Seems to work once more
316 2017-11-19T20:27:13 <arubi> you said you're running 0.14.2, latest is 0.15.1 . maybe try it out and open an issue on github if it doesn't solve the problem
317 2017-11-19T20:27:47 <firelegend> Figured it out
318 2017-11-19T20:27:54 <firelegend> Quotes
319 2017-11-19T20:28:01 <firelegend> Must use quotes
320 2017-11-19T20:30:23 <arubi> oh, that's unexpected..
321 2017-11-19T20:32:16 <firelegend> Still paying 16 dollars as fees is a bit much
322 2017-11-19T20:32:46 <arubi> pay less if you want
323 2017-11-19T20:32:51 <firelegend> I did
324 2017-11-19T20:32:59 <firelegend> 150k Satoshi per kb
325 2017-11-19T20:33:09 <firelegend> Instead of 0.004
326 2017-11-19T20:33:42 <arubi> I usually go with 10-20 sat/byte
327 2017-11-19T20:34:18 <firelegend> And it works?
328 2017-11-19T20:34:28 <arubi> I aim for weekends
329 2017-11-19T20:34:47 <firelegend> Well, I'm about to sell bch all of it so
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331 2017-11-19T20:35:03 <firelegend> Maybe I will make it all back
332 2017-11-19T20:35:36 <dviola> arubi: how do you know the size of your tx before sending?
333 2017-11-19T20:35:49 <arubi> you put dummy signatures in it
334 2017-11-19T20:36:33 <dviola> not sure how
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338 2017-11-19T20:39:31 <arubi> oh sorry, you mean with the client?
339 2017-11-19T20:40:21 <arubi> I'm not sure if there's a way to tell easily
340 2017-11-19T20:40:36 <arubi> /dinner time
341 2017-11-19T20:41:53 <jb55> put together a script that pulls fee estimtes from your full node: https://github.com/jb55/bitcoin-fees
342 2017-11-19T20:43:35 <dviola> yes, with core
343 2017-11-19T20:43:57 <dviola> I just want to be able to calculate the right fee for my tx
344 2017-11-19T20:44:16 <dviola> I'd like to know how most people do it
345 2017-11-19T20:44:31 <dviola> I've been using the fee estimator in core
346 2017-11-19T20:44:51 <dviola> which is ok, but I wonder if there is a better way
347 2017-11-19T20:45:00 <eck> the median txn is 121 bytes
348 2017-11-19T20:45:23 <eck> err
349 2017-11-19T20:45:24 <eck> 226 bytes
350 2017-11-19T20:45:26 <jb55> ^
351 2017-11-19T20:45:35 <eck> i would start with that unless you have a reason to suspect it would be different
352 2017-11-19T20:45:37 <jb55> that's the default I use for my fee estimation script
353 2017-11-19T20:45:52 <eck> i believe 226 bytes is for 1 input, 2 outputs p2pkh
354 2017-11-19T20:46:56 <firelegend> Mean or median?
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356 2017-11-19T20:47:36 <eck> median
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358 2017-11-19T20:48:13 <eck> the mean would be larger, i don't know if you can create a transaction smaller than that
359 2017-11-19T20:49:03 <dviola> ok so the more inputs the higher the bytes
360 2017-11-19T20:49:05 <dviola> ?
361 2017-11-19T20:49:16 <jb55> hmm to send 100kb tx in 1-2 blocks would cost $1322 right now :O
362 2017-11-19T20:51:16 <eck> that would be a big tx
363 2017-11-19T20:51:31 <eck> dviola: yes
364 2017-11-19T20:51:47 <dviola> eck: I see, thanks
365 2017-11-19T20:52:15 <dviola> can't believe I overpaid like $20 before
366 2017-11-19T20:54:52 <dviola> well, that tx had 10+ inputs so it's not too bad I guess
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368 2017-11-19T21:34:06 <melik> luke-jr, jaromil Ah, I see!
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370 2017-11-19T21:35:45 <melik> thanks guys; first time hearing about devuan, i see that it still use sysvinit
371 2017-11-19T21:36:01 <melik> i'll set up a new VM then, thank you :)
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