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51 2017-12-20T02:49:52 <Exaeta> Did bitcoin cash "steal" part of the bitcoin source code? If so, what part(s)? I'm curious about this allegation and whether there is truth to it.
52 2017-12-20T02:50:28 <AndBobsYourUncle> Exaeta, are you familiar with GitHub?
53 2017-12-20T02:50:48 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: yes, I have an account and use it
54 2017-12-20T02:51:04 <AndBobsYourUncle> Ok. So you're familiar with what a "fork" is on GitHub?
55 2017-12-20T02:51:16 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: I heard that it was forked, but I don't think it would be "stolen" unless the copyright license was violated.
56 2017-12-20T02:51:25 <phantomcircuit> Exaeta, it's 99.99999999% a clone, which the codes license allows for
57 2017-12-20T02:51:28 <AndBobsYourUncle> Okay, then it's just semantics you're after
58 2017-12-20T02:51:51 <Exaeta> Ok so bitcoin cash did not steal any code. They just forked it.
59 2017-12-20T02:51:55 <Exaeta> legally
60 2017-12-20T02:52:51 <Exaeta> or was there some license violation?
61 2017-12-20T02:53:20 <buZz> hmm, i remember something about bitcoin abc editting copyright notices?
62 2017-12-20T02:53:30 <buZz> but it was fixed eventually i think
63 2017-12-20T02:53:36 <Syde> there was no violation. Pretty much every alt coin out there has heritage in bitcoin core code
64 2017-12-20T02:53:48 <AndBobsYourUncle> I believe you most likely heard someone say the code was stolen, when they meant it was forked.
65 2017-12-20T02:54:06 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: yes
66 2017-12-20T02:54:24 <Exaeta> AndBobsYourUncle: and this person was banning people from #bitcoin for saying that bitcoin cash was not stolen or something
67 2017-12-20T02:54:31 <AndBobsYourUncle> Or perhaps they meant this definition of "steal": "dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own"
68 2017-12-20T02:54:53 <AndBobsYourUncle> Or "an idea taken from another work"
69 2017-12-20T02:55:51 <AndBobsYourUncle> Words are funny things.
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71 2017-12-20T02:57:40 <cncr04s> core devs need to help us fight this bcash menace, if they keep being lax they will win
72 2017-12-20T03:00:04 <Exaeta> cncr04s: Fighting bitcoin cash is against the spirit of open source
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77 2017-12-20T03:08:18 <deego> Exaeta: you think bitcoin cash is a open source project and seem to think it's community based. you ignore, at your own peril, that it's a shill project with no community support. Put your money where your mouth is, and go all in on bitcoin cash. Prepare to be surprised
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175 2017-12-20T08:01:12 <deego> Is it safe to delete mempool.dat (temporarily) when the core client is stopped. I assume the client will recreate it as needed?
176 2017-12-20T08:01:17 <deego> (2) does it contain any sensitive information?
177 2017-12-20T08:01:25 <Sentineo> it is safe
178 2017-12-20T08:01:42 <Sentineo> just the old mempool txes
179 2017-12-20T08:03:28 <deego> ah, thanks Sentineo
180 2017-12-20T08:03:58 <deego> btw, i don't need to keep it secure, right? no personal information, right?
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182 2017-12-20T08:04:24 <Sentineo> right
183 2017-12-20T08:04:28 <deego> ty
184 2017-12-20T08:04:36 <Sentineo> the only thing you need to keep secure is wallet.dat
185 2017-12-20T08:05:10 <deego> excellent, thanks again
186 2017-12-20T08:05:31 <Sentineo> np
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199 2017-12-20T09:04:43 <dabura667> Anyone try setting up libbitcoin-server to serve an old DarkWallet client? I have a guy that needs to get his coins out, and I've decided to set a server up... I'm guessing once I get fully synced with the blockchain I just need to enter the server's IP address into the DarkWallet client?... if anyone has any knowledge let me know, thanks.
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202 2017-12-20T09:12:34 <Sentineo> hm maybe try with the dash folks, it used to be darkwallet
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237 2017-12-20T10:55:36 <Bethoven1> Hi, some on who can help send me some btc to 18K9LfYqoCBkpnVZRodkfRtZCxRqYr12rm
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293 2017-12-20T14:08:35 <molz> Sentineo, darkwallet has nothing to do with dash
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298 2017-12-20T14:12:34 <wumpus> darkwallet was Amir's project to build a private wallet for bitcoin, but as far as I know development was suddenly abandoned at some point, while still in beta
299 2017-12-20T14:13:18 <wumpus> that doesn't really help setting it up unfortuantely; I never managed to do so, lots and lots of dependencies
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302 2017-12-20T14:13:48 <wumpus> might be less work to figure out how the wallet format works and import the private keys into something else
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305 2017-12-20T14:28:05 <Sentineo> ah sorry hm I always though so. Thanks molz & wumpus !
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316 2017-12-20T15:15:47 <ren0v0> Hey, how do i see transaction size in bitcoin-qt ? Fee section says "warning fee estimation is currently not possible", so i need to know the TX size to calculate it properly right? I already have one stuck transaction
317 2017-12-20T15:17:10 <Sentineo> let me startup my qt
318 2017-12-20T15:17:12 <Sentineo> will tell you
319 2017-12-20T15:17:15 <ren0v0> Sentineo, cheers
320 2017-12-20T15:17:29 <ren0v0> just took me 4hours to sync 10 days :D
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322 2017-12-20T15:17:48 <Sentineo> ren0v0: so you go to the transactions tab and right click on it -> pick show details
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324 2017-12-20T15:18:16 <Sentineo> 'show transaction details' it is
325 2017-12-20T15:18:28 <Sentineo> is shows the size at the end
326 2017-12-20T15:18:50 <ren0v0> I'm talking about a new transaction though, I need to know what fee to put in
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328 2017-12-20T15:19:39 <ren0v0> all these sites for fee calculations say something like 650 sat/B, but how do i know the size of my intended transaction?
329 2017-12-20T15:20:20 <Sentineo> well for a new one I usually disable broadcasting txes
330 2017-12-20T15:20:22 <Sentineo> and double check
331 2017-12-20T15:20:37 <Sentineo> in that case the tx is in the transactions and I check it
332 2017-12-20T15:20:40 <Sentineo> or use RPC
333 2017-12-20T15:20:48 <ren0v0> :O
334 2017-12-20T15:21:08 <ren0v0> that isn't very user friendly :D
335 2017-12-20T15:21:24 <ren0v0> Any idea why the fee estimation feature is broken ?
336 2017-12-20T15:21:26 <Sentineo> but tell me
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338 2017-12-20T15:21:41 <Sentineo> why do you need to know the size if you are setting up the tx fee in sat/B?
339 2017-12-20T15:21:52 <Sentineo> it is per byte, so whatever your size is, it does not matter
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342 2017-12-20T15:23:15 <ren0v0> hmm, that's a good point :D
343 2017-12-20T15:24:10 <Sentineo> so perhpas that is why it is not shown :P - although I agree would be nice to see it like some other wallet show the size
344 2017-12-20T15:24:25 <ren0v0> so if these calculators say 655 sat/B, thats 0.00000655 right, and 0.00655000 /kB ?
345 2017-12-20T15:25:00 <Sentineo> yes
346 2017-12-20T15:25:05 <Sentineo> 1kB = 1000B
347 2017-12-20T15:25:14 <ren0v0> just seems scary, as i dont know the size of the TX
348 2017-12-20T15:25:17 <Sentineo> and 1 sat = 10e-8 Btc
349 2017-12-20T15:25:24 <ren0v0> what is a typical TX size?
350 2017-12-20T15:25:34 <Sentineo> depends from your inputs
351 2017-12-20T15:25:40 <Sentineo> 300B would be a bigger one
352 2017-12-20T15:25:41 <ren0v0> even if this was 1kB thats $110 :D
353 2017-12-20T15:25:48 <ren0v0> ok
354 2017-12-20T15:26:17 <Sentineo> do not roget to check RBF
355 2017-12-20T15:26:29 <ren0v0> so, now i have to hope the price goes back to 17,300 because i purchase the coins to pay this invoice at that price :D
356 2017-12-20T15:26:42 <ren0v0> and, no idea where my btc is that i sent with too low a fee :D
357 2017-12-20T15:27:01 <ren0v0> RBF?
358 2017-12-20T15:27:30 <Sentineo> request replace by fee
359 2017-12-20T15:27:39 <ren0v0> ah i read about this actually, problem is the TX was for a bitpay invoice which has now expired
360 2017-12-20T15:27:41 <Sentineo> you can increase the fee later if you want it pushed
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397 2017-12-20T17:09:43 <cluelessperson> SopaXorzTaker is requesting to be unquietted in here.
398 2017-12-20T17:09:55 <cluelessperson> not sure who would handle that. /over
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452 2017-12-20T19:44:30 <nikitasius> folks, where i can get some free bitcoins on testnet? Need 1+1 BTC on 2 addresses. (testnet!)
453 2017-12-20T19:45:20 <arubi> google bitcoin testnet faucet. there are a few
454 2017-12-20T19:45:43 <nikitasius> arubi: already googled. they send 1.3, 0.8 0.2 etc.
455 2017-12-20T19:46:10 <arubi> you can send 1.0 back to yourself, or you could post your addresses
456 2017-12-20T19:46:51 <nikitasius> yep.. i was thinking about this too. well.. wanted to work with round numbers mostly :) but okay :)
457 2017-12-20T19:47:12 <arubi> well, it won't stay a round number for very long
458 2017-12-20T19:47:25 <arubi> just treat the number as discrete satoshis
459 2017-12-20T19:47:58 <arubi> so 0.2 is 20 million satoshis, no problem right :)
460 2017-12-20T19:50:22 <nikitasius> :)
461 2017-12-20T19:51:27 <nikitasius> anyway it;s more friendly that ETH (in eth they are in hex)
462 2017-12-20T19:52:18 <arubi> anywhere it matters, amounts are in hex in bitcoin too
463 2017-12-20T19:52:33 <arubi> they're also constant length
464 2017-12-20T19:52:59 <nikitasius> RPC return in "float"
465 2017-12-20T19:53:02 <arubi> in wallets and such, it's in decimals
466 2017-12-20T19:53:11 <nikitasius> yep, decimals i mean :)
467 2017-12-20T19:53:12 <arubi> json doesn't care :)
468 2017-12-20T19:53:34 <arubi> rpc, gui wallets, websites.. right, all use that
469 2017-12-20T19:53:40 <nikitasius> i parse with gson and in ETH all in "text"
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471 2017-12-20T19:54:13 <nikitasius> well.. i will wait confirmation for my TX and group all in single
472 2017-12-20T19:54:19 <arubi> well, hopefully you'll multiply everything by 100000000 before doing any balance stuff :)
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481 2017-12-20T20:10:41 <nikitasius> arubi: yep. and i use BigDecimal (in case of Java)
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