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25 2018-01-19T01:01:25 <d3h> echo=10usd fee? sweep*
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28 2018-01-19T01:05:41 <d3h> I actually wanna fucking kill you guys after that fee
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30 2018-01-19T01:08:06 <contrapumpkin> ?
31 2018-01-19T01:08:17 <contrapumpkin> no threats plsthx
32 2018-01-19T01:08:57 <d3h> sorry dude. its just you took 10usd off my balance without asked ng or notifying.
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34 2018-01-19T01:09:25 <d3h> on the sweep function with private keys
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36 2018-01-19T01:12:46 <d3h> it was 30usd balance. now 20 heh
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38 2018-01-19T01:15:13 <S-Nake> i need web site i can stay update on crypto witch one is the best
39 2018-01-19T01:15:59 <d3h> I don't make a lot of money. Most of my money goes towards what I believe in. I'm unemployed at the moment and a long way away from being able to throw 10usd away, its actually a lot of money for most people. Please adjust the fee notices on the sweep wallet function. I wouldn't pay the fee if you notified me before the sweep. please just don't let this happen again.
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41 2018-01-19T01:16:50 <d3h> Thank You and good luck
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43 2018-01-19T01:18:00 <S-Nake> crypto news
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49 2018-01-19T01:33:17 <d3h> it says "all coins will be moved"
50 2018-01-19T01:33:58 <d3h> 10usd is a lot without notice
51 2018-01-19T01:34:13 <d3h> you guys get an at with that?
52 2018-01-19T01:34:20 <d3h> get away*
53 2018-01-19T01:34:36 <S-Nake> d3h you have web site to news on crypto
54 2018-01-19T01:34:51 <d3h> cointelegraph?
55 2018-01-19T01:35:01 <d3h> coindesk?
56 2018-01-19T01:35:13 <S-Nake> i go check
57 2018-01-19T01:35:15 <S-Nake> thank
58 2018-01-19T01:35:56 <d3h> no where in the world takes your money without asking/notifying. that's theft
59 2018-01-19T01:36:12 <d3h> I thought my parents generation stopped that?
60 2018-01-19T01:36:53 <d3h> before and after photo of a wallet sweep with convention rates
61 2018-01-19T01:37:05 <d3h> conversion
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63 2018-01-19T01:37:18 <d3h> to usd
64 2018-01-19T01:37:44 <d3h> who can I speak to about this? reverse transaction?
65 2018-01-19T01:38:11 <d3h> at least to the wallet where the funds originated from. that's outrageous.
66 2018-01-19T01:40:25 <d3h> I'll sink their Azimut.
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68 2018-01-19T01:41:12 <d3h> and watch a moroccon laugh
69 2018-01-19T01:41:57 <d3h> I'd swiss insure that
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71 2018-01-19T01:43:35 <zendainc> Christ
72 2018-01-19T01:43:42 <zendainc> If I pay you $10 will you go away?
73 2018-01-19T01:44:01 <d3h> if you reverse the transaction
74 2018-01-19T01:44:25 <zendainc> I have zero to do with anything related to bitcoin-dev, but you are annoying and should go away
75 2018-01-19T01:44:25 <d3h> otherwise I'll kill your fucking daughter.
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79 2018-01-19T01:46:20 <d3h> hahahhahahahhahhahha
80 2018-01-19T01:46:44 <d3h> does that come with jack and coke?
81 2018-01-19T01:46:56 <d3h> you sick fuck
82 2018-01-19T01:47:42 <d3h> I'll drive that thing over your mums face
83 2018-01-19T01:48:18 <d3h> =P
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85 2018-01-19T01:48:30 <zendainc> zzzzzzz
86 2018-01-19T01:48:41 <d3h> speedy
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88 2018-01-19T01:49:26 <zendainc> Troll more. Clearly you are bored.
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90 2018-01-19T01:51:00 <d3h> go get some more freckles.
91 2018-01-19T01:51:41 <d3h> is that a lookalike? oh no wait, her face got ran over.
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93 2018-01-19T01:53:02 <d3h> its as easy as right click edit
94 2018-01-19T01:54:11 <d3h> and I still can't import those keys into core from jaxx wallet
95 2018-01-19T01:54:22 <d3h> so I'll have to do it again or send.
96 2018-01-19T01:54:47 <d3h> how many siblings have you got?
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98 2018-01-19T01:55:43 <d3h> can you fix the fees or import from wallet to core with keys.
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101 2018-01-19T02:00:00 <d3h> if I lose 2/3 of my balance I won't be happu
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230 2018-01-19T09:22:16 <thrasos> hi
231 2018-01-19T09:23:38 <thrasos> I am thinking of coding an open source wallet for iOS, does anyone know of any easy API's that output data in JSON?
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246 2018-01-19T09:48:59 <thrasos> I got disconnected, did anyone repond?
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250 2018-01-19T10:02:41 <arubi> thrasos, no. but the channel is logged (topic) so if you drop you can check there
251 2018-01-19T10:03:18 <thrasos> I see thanks
252 2018-01-19T10:04:20 <meshcollider> thrasos: there are probably lots of APIs, I can see multiple from just google search
253 2018-01-19T10:09:37 <thrasos> @meshcollider : Which one would be the most popular? Also I'll be coding in Swift, most of the API's have their own libraries in other languages. I am looking something cleaner like POST requests queries and JSON responses
254 2018-01-19T10:10:15 <meshcollider> thrasos: no idea sorry, I wouldn't trust a third party API for a wallet in general anyway
255 2018-01-19T10:12:24 <thrasos> @meshcollider, OK how would you go about it?
256 2018-01-19T10:13:07 <meshcollider> well ideally it would be a standalone SPV wallet I guess
257 2018-01-19T10:14:05 <meshcollider> because if you're going to trust an API like blockchain.info one, you might as well just use blockchain.info's app
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315 2018-01-19T13:02:38 <dansmith_btc> Hi, I was in the middle of -reindex-chainstate when I had to Ctrl+C it, now if I run -reindex-chainstate again, it starts from the very beginning. Is there a way to resume it from where it left off?
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333 2018-01-19T13:47:52 <rav3nn> hi, do I need synced node first to use zeromq on my daemon ?
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403 2018-01-19T17:54:20 <arubi> anybody knows how to load a modified firmware image on the digital bitbox? I built the binary but (no surprise) it doesn't like how it's unsigned
404 2018-01-19T17:55:23 <arubi> there's also a "debug" option for firmware loading, but still : "ERROR: invalid firmware signature"
405 2018-01-19T18:00:31 <arubi> there is also an undocumented "-noreadsig" flag in the dbb-cli application. when trying to append the "debug" signature (all zeros) to my unsigned firmware and loading it with that flag set to true using the -cli, then it doesn't show the signature on screen when it tries the upgrade, but still fails the same
406 2018-01-19T18:01:25 <arubi> in "load_firmware.py" there is a comment "Invalid firmware cannot be run." , right, but how am I supposed to test stuff then?
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419 2018-01-19T18:34:44 <arubi> ^ needs special bootloader. :(
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425 2018-01-19T19:02:59 <dansmith_btc> Hi, why does -reindex-chainstate consume about 2ghz of my cpu? does it verify signatures or something? I thought there shouldnt be anything CPU-intensive
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428 2018-01-19T19:04:20 <mahamoti> when a node solves a POW problem, how is the completed block forwarded around to all other nodes in the network? The node can send to all its known peers, and every peer could forward to all their known peers, but how does this not result in an infinite propagation through the network?
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432 2018-01-19T19:15:50 <reardencode> mahamoti: just like you said, every node sends it to every peer, unless they know for sure that peer already has it (because nodes keep track of their peers' heights)
433 2018-01-19T19:20:42 <mahamoti> reardencode: so...whenever a node creates (or receives) a new block, it then queries all known peers for their height, and forwards to any peer with height < the new block number?
434 2018-01-19T19:24:15 <reardencode> mahamoti: it already knows its peers' heights because they tell each other that regularly AFAIK otherwise, yep
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436 2018-01-19T19:27:19 <mahamoti> reardencode: so are you saying that every X seconds, a peer PUSHES its last known block to all other peers -- and whenever it receives/creates a new block, it then PULLS the last known block from any peer that hasn't reported its block-no in the last Y seconds?
437 2018-01-19T19:32:44 <reardencode> mahamoti: I don't know the exact protocol messages that are involved
438 2018-01-19T19:33:03 <reardencode> I know that blocks are propagated by receiving nodes to any of their peers who don't already have it
439 2018-01-19T19:33:21 <mahamoti> ok
440 2018-01-19T19:34:01 <mahamoti> its strange to me that nobody seems to know the basic network architecture
441 2018-01-19T19:34:57 <reardencode> mahamoti: what do you mean? many people (myself included) know the network architecture, few know the exact protocol messages, because not many people need to know that
442 2018-01-19T19:39:13 <mahamoti> reardencode: dont care about the exact protocol messages...but whether this information is communication via push model or pull model, based on a frequency or based on a trigger, etc, seem to be the basic architecture concepts
443 2018-01-19T19:39:21 <mahamoti> communicated*
444 2018-01-19T19:39:35 <reardencode> it's pushed, and whenever a new block is received
445 2018-01-19T19:40:19 <reardencode> that may be done by the node that receives a new block knowing which peers need it already, or it may be done by it asking those peers if they want it
446 2018-01-19T19:41:08 <mahamoti> you said blocks are pushed based on the peer heights, but peer height is basically equivalent to knowledge of last known block...so is peer height communicated via push or pull
447 2018-01-19T19:42:16 <reardencode> so now you're back to asking about the specific protocol messages and sequences used to maintain the peer data on each node...
448 2018-01-19T19:43:13 <mahamoti> push vs pull is network architecture
449 2018-01-19T19:44:14 <mahamoti> i mean you no offense. honestly, im just trying to understand at a conceptual level how information is communicated efficiently and without redundancy
450 2018-01-19T19:45:11 <reardencode> yes, I figured that part out - the point is that exactly how a node knows which of its peers need a specific block isn't particularly important compared to the fact that it immediately sends the block to any peers who need it
451 2018-01-19T19:46:02 <reardencode> I just looked up the protocol documentation and related BIPs, so it looks like on receipt of a new block the node sends a message to each of its peers announcing that it has a new block, and those peers can then request the block data if they don't already have it.
452 2018-01-19T19:46:46 <reardencode> (and this is why people don't need to _know_ the specifics of the protocol, because it's documented for when they do need it
453 2018-01-19T19:47:11 <mahamoti> reardencode: thank you for that info. where is the link that you found it from?
454 2018-01-19T19:47:21 <reardencode> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0152.mediawiki was most helpful
455 2018-01-19T19:49:40 <mahamoti> thanks!
456 2018-01-19T19:53:38 <mahamoti> reardencode: im still a little confused though. if, upon receipt of a new block, a node sends a message to all known peers announcing it has a new block, then this would trigger an infinite chain reaction of messages. to make it not infinite, it would have to NOT send the message to peers it knows already have it, which brings us back to the question of how it knows which peers already have it.
457 2018-01-19T19:54:18 <adiabat> nodes use inv messages
458 2018-01-19T19:54:20 <reardencode> no, because only peers who don't already have it would actually get the new block and announce it further down
459 2018-01-19T19:54:22 <adiabat> for blocks and txs
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461 2018-01-19T19:54:49 <adiabat> you also won't send inv messages about things they've told you about, since obviously they've seen it
462 2018-01-19T19:55:05 <adiabat> also you keep track of what inv messages you've sent to nodes, so you don't repeat yourself
463 2018-01-19T19:58:13 <adiabat> wiki is a bit old but has the idea: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#Inventory_Vectors
464 2018-01-19T19:58:15 <mahamoti> reardencode: ok, i think i see what you mean
465 2018-01-19T19:58:26 <adiabat> There are also now witness_tx types
466 2018-01-19T19:59:43 <mahamoti> adiabat: are these inv messages separate from the messages reardencode was talking about?
467 2018-01-19T20:00:04 <adiabat> inv messages are what reardencode mentioned
468 2018-01-19T20:00:14 <adiabat> it applies not just to blocks, but also txs
469 2018-01-19T20:00:22 <adiabat> there are some gotchas though
470 2018-01-19T20:00:33 <adiabat> there's a way for nodes to say "send headers!"
471 2018-01-19T20:00:45 <mahamoti> you mean for valid transactions that have yet to be included in a block?
472 2018-01-19T20:01:02 <adiabat> yes, those are the only transactions which get sent
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474 2018-01-19T20:01:17 <adiabat> if they're invalid, you can't send them to other nodes, and if they're already in a block, you can't send them either
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476 2018-01-19T20:01:43 <adiabat> if you've told other nodes "send headers" then they won't send a block inv message, they'll send the block header instead.
477 2018-01-19T20:02:05 <adiabat> it's not too big at 80 bytes, and lets you check the work on it without requesting the whole block
478 2018-01-19T20:02:29 <mahamoti> adiabat: so if a wallet sends a transaction to one node, that node will notify all its known peers that it has a new transaction?
479 2018-01-19T20:02:41 <adiabat> in general, yes
480 2018-01-19T20:02:50 <adiabat> however there are new models where it won't
481 2018-01-19T20:02:57 <adiabat> called dandelion
482 2018-01-19T20:03:07 <adiabat> also it will delay things a bit
483 2018-01-19T20:03:28 <adiabat> both of those techniques are to make it harder to track the origin of transactions
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485 2018-01-19T20:04:10 <mahamoti> adiabat: it seems that it would be against the peers own interests to forward transactions to other nodes, because if it doesnt forward this info, theres a chance that the other nodes won't have enough transactions to fill a block, which would delay their ability to start POW, and increase probability that the first node would beat them to solving the next POW problem
486 2018-01-19T20:05:12 <adiabat> ah, for mining nodes you mean
487 2018-01-19T20:05:18 <mahamoti> yes
488 2018-01-19T20:05:39 <adiabat> yes, if there's a particularly juicy (high fee) tx, mining nodes wouldn't want to let other mining nodes know
489 2018-01-19T20:05:58 <adiabat> in practice, most of the nodes on the network with public IPs are not mining
490 2018-01-19T20:06:14 <mahamoti> oh really? what is their incentive for operation then?
491 2018-01-19T20:06:26 <adiabat> To run bitcoin :)
492 2018-01-19T20:06:43 <adiabat> yeah you could be more of a leech and only accept blocks / txs
493 2018-01-19T20:06:53 <adiabat> the forwarding part is a bit altruistic
494 2018-01-19T20:07:02 <mahamoti> is there an actual different executable for mining nodes vs. non-mining nodes?
495 2018-01-19T20:07:08 <adiabat> as a transaction signer however, you want to get your tx out to as many nodes as possible
496 2018-01-19T20:07:14 <adiabat> no, same software
497 2018-01-19T20:07:31 <adiabat> well. Miners may recompile, change things, who knows. There's some evidence that they do
498 2018-01-19T20:08:13 <mahamoti> so you're saying the majority of bitcoin nodes are running mining software, with the actual mining part disabled, so that they just forward transactions around?
499 2018-01-19T20:08:40 <adiabat> that's not how I'd phrase it...
500 2018-01-19T20:09:01 <mahamoti> :)
501 2018-01-19T20:09:07 <adiabat> also depends on your definition of nodes... if you count SPV clients as "nodes"
502 2018-01-19T20:09:20 <adiabat> then that would be the majority
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504 2018-01-19T20:10:46 <adiabat> but yeah, nodes can mine if you tell them to; mining is "easy" once you've got a fully sync'd node; syncing is the hard part
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506 2018-01-19T20:16:26 <mahamoti> it seems like a node exists either to be mining, or to act as a wallet. if they are mining, then i dont see the incentive for forwarding uncomfirmed trsnsactions to anyone else, because they would want to save for themselves. if you're a wallet, I also dont see incentive, because once you know your balance, you dont really care about wasting network bandwidth to send stuff to others...assuming everyone isgreedy
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508 2018-01-19T20:17:07 <adiabat> yeah on first order, there isn't a *direct* incentive to forward txs
509 2018-01-19T20:17:14 <adiabat> however, lots of inderect reasons
510 2018-01-19T20:17:19 <mahamoti> if you're a wallet, and you generated a transaction, then you'd have an incentive to forward that to all known mining nodes
511 2018-01-19T20:17:32 <adiabat> as a wallet, you don't want people to know that your txs came from your node, and your IP address
512 2018-01-19T20:17:57 <adiabat> if you only send txs that you signed, it's really obvious which are yours
513 2018-01-19T20:18:06 <mahamoti> ah ok, interesting point
514 2018-01-19T20:18:09 <adiabat> if you forward everything, then your own txs get lost in the noise
515 2018-01-19T20:18:57 <mahamoti> i see
516 2018-01-19T20:19:51 <mahamoti> so would you say its commonplace that mining software does not forward uncomfirmed transactions to known peers, but wallet software does?
517 2018-01-19T20:20:21 <adiabat> I think most mining nodes are not on the public network, with global listening IPs
518 2018-01-19T20:20:39 <adiabat> miners don't want that risk
519 2018-01-19T20:21:13 <adiabat> DDoS, etc. So they might run a node behind various firewalls. Also they connect to each other directly with fibre, etc
520 2018-01-19T20:21:42 <mahamoti> for the purpose of this discussion, lets ignore mining nodes operating under a mining pool
521 2018-01-19T20:21:59 <adiabat> workers like that aren't even nodes generally
522 2018-01-19T20:22:15 <adiabat> they just get some work to do and do it, with no knowledge of the blocks or txs
523 2018-01-19T20:23:15 <mahamoti> interesting. so what you're saying seems to be confirming what i just said: that mining nodes are greedy, receive transactions but never forward, while the wallet softwares do the major forwarding of the network. yes?
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525 2018-01-19T20:32:29 <mahamoti> adiabat: whats the general concept behind synching a new full node to the network?
526 2018-01-19T20:33:18 <mahamoti> i presume that a node might be able to request blocks from a known peer, but any particular peer would not want to provide an excessive amount of data to synch a new node up
527 2018-01-19T20:33:43 <mahamoti> so im curious how that data load would be distributed in practice
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529 2018-01-19T20:43:39 <adiabat> it's probably power law; I have good internet at MIT and run a node that serves a lot
530 2018-01-19T20:44:10 <adiabat> I send out about 100GB / day, 3TB / month.
531 2018-01-19T20:44:45 <adiabat> that's too much for most home users but I doubt MIT even notices
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533 2018-01-19T20:45:54 <mahamoti> from a protocol level i mean
534 2018-01-19T20:46:35 <adiabat> nodes have a lot of control over how much they send / receive
535 2018-01-19T20:47:04 <mahamoti> so do you request specific blocks individually, or do you request a batch of blocks?
536 2018-01-19T20:47:42 <adiabat> you send a getdata message with the block hash
537 2018-01-19T20:47:59 <adiabat> you can send getdata with a bunch of block hashes I guess, then they'll send a bunch of blocks
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539 2018-01-19T20:48:11 <mahamoti> if i start up a new full node, whats the algorithm that this node would likely use to try to download all the blocks it needs. does it make a bunch of requests in parallel to all known peers, or go sequentially or what
540 2018-01-19T20:48:36 <adiabat> I'm not sure, it's implementation dependent, and it's changed a bunch
541 2018-01-19T20:48:43 <adiabat> basic idea is get all the headers first
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543 2018-01-19T20:49:16 <mahamoti> well new headers are being added all the time, so you cant exactly get all headers first
544 2018-01-19T20:49:18 <adiabat> check all the PoW, then go through each header, request the block, parse all the txs, modify utxo set, and continue to next block
545 2018-01-19T20:49:29 <adiabat> you can get all the headers in a few seconds
546 2018-01-19T20:49:50 <mahamoti> oh really
547 2018-01-19T20:50:14 <mahamoti> so the header contains just what...the block hash and the prev hash?
548 2018-01-19T20:51:06 <adiabat> most of this is in the wiki
549 2018-01-19T20:51:35 <adiabat> er, bitcoin reference
550 2018-01-19T20:51:36 <adiabat> https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#block-chain
551 2018-01-19T20:52:55 <mahamoti> thanks, looks like a good reference for me
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560 2018-01-19T21:22:20 <contrapumpkin> https://blockchain.info/block-index/229771/00000000000002dc756eebf4f49723ed8d30cc28a5f108eb94b1ba88ac4f9c22 is supposedly the only block that violates bip16, but I can't find any information on how/why it violates it
561 2018-01-19T21:22:49 <contrapumpkin> (going by https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11739/files)
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576 2018-01-19T22:28:37 <thelazycoder> I am working on building a pretty sizeable bitcoin management system, And I needed to get some testnet bitcoins from someone. Does anyone know an easy way to get a lot of tBTC ? Thanks in advance.
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578 2018-01-19T22:29:06 <contrapumpkin> thelazycoder: there are faucets
579 2018-01-19T22:32:02 <thelazycoder> Yeah, most only give out a bit at a time⦠Unfortunately my developer lost the private key of the wallet he had been playing with and we had accumulated into. He didnt think it would be a big issue until he mentioned to me that he got rid of it, and now he want to test the larger transaction logistics, and have only a few btc
580 2018-01-19T22:32:07 <thelazycoder> tbtc*
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585 2018-01-19T22:47:47 <mahamoti> do full nodes synchronize in reverse order?
586 2018-01-19T22:48:26 <mahamoti> ie, do they wait to hear a report of a block, then request the block with hash mentioned from the previous block, etc, all the way back? or do they synchronize from the start forward?
587 2018-01-19T22:52:20 <mahamoti> i guess not
588 2018-01-19T22:54:21 <mahamoti> but im confused: suppose there is a node that was fully synched up to block N. For some reason, it doesn't get a report of block N+1, but then it gets a report of block N+2. When it looks at the prevous hash of block N+2, it clearly does not block N. Whats the process to catch up?
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597 2018-01-19T23:11:04 <luke-jr> thelazycoder: address?
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603 2018-01-19T23:32:46 <reardencode> mahamoti: it can request the next block by hash from any of its peers
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606 2018-01-19T23:42:23 <thelazycoder> luke-jr: mhGBQCsTPxdhHE7DzgGzLL5wosRJ6sgugy
607 2018-01-19T23:42:34 <thelazycoder> Thank you for whatever you can spare :) Much appreciated.
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617 2018-01-19T23:59:53 <luke-jr> thelazycoder: when/if you decide you're done and plan to destroy the wallet, you can return any funds left to 2N2U9wWjQvzqTwwmeZTAuUqA6fR2rQkS3Vz