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59 2018-08-16T10:10:01 <kallisteiros> Trying to understand something about LN. If I want to pay Bob, and I have opened a channel with Alice, and she has an open channel with Bob, it seems straightforward: I pay to Alice, she pays to Bob. What if she refuses though, after I pay to her? Is there a way to make it atomic and trustless?
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82 2018-08-16T12:47:56 <kinlo> lightning payments are atomic
83 2018-08-16T12:55:33 <kallisteiros> the answer was HTLC actually, it's pretty cool: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4905430
84 2018-08-16T12:55:59 <kallisteiros> didnt think of using them this way
85 2018-08-16T12:57:38 <kinlo> yep, that's how it is made atomic
86 2018-08-16T12:59:22 <kinlo> atomic doesn't mean (in this context) that all payments happen at the same time in one go, just that if one payment happens, that they all happen
87 2018-08-16T13:17:41 <kallisteiros> right
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93 2018-08-16T13:32:54 <f4ust> Hi there I am having problems getting confirmations from a multisig address
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95 2018-08-16T13:33:08 <f4ust> I will describe what I am trying to do
96 2018-08-16T13:33:19 <f4ust> I have 3 partial nodes synced
97 2018-08-16T13:33:49 <f4ust> each node is capable of sending tx to blockchain and receiving confirmations
98 2018-08-16T13:34:03 <f4ust> suppose nodes are a,b,c
99 2018-08-16T13:34:10 <f4ust> now i try to do multisig
100 2018-08-16T13:34:32 <f4ust> a plays role of purchaser in 2-3 multisig
101 2018-08-16T13:34:51 <f4ust> a generates address fromhis wallet and sends to b
102 2018-08-16T13:35:43 <f4ust> b is seller, she generates address and send to c
103 2018-08-16T13:36:23 <f4ust> c is escrow, she generates multisig address and imports it to her wallet and sends it to a and b
104 2018-08-16T13:36:30 <f4ust> a and b import the address
105 2018-08-16T13:36:45 <f4ust> a generates tx to fund multisig
106 2018-08-16T13:36:56 <f4ust> all bitcoind logs show addtowallet
107 2018-08-16T13:37:27 <f4ust> but no confirmations are recieved by polling through RPC listtransactions
108 2018-08-16T13:37:41 <f4ust> all 3 are using default account
109 2018-08-16T13:38:26 <f4ust> I see the funding txid in block chain being confirmed
110 2018-08-16T13:38:41 <f4ust> so i scratch my head and wonder wtf?
111 2018-08-16T13:40:17 <f4ust> last txid i tried is f41ba5339a692956ece564c19b564387c5091ad33d91681c533dca28a351787c
112 2018-08-16T13:41:48 <f4ust> on testnet
113 2018-08-16T13:41:57 <f4ust> any help would be appreciated
114 2018-08-16T13:45:55 <f4ust> only a list the tx that funds the multisig address as a send
115 2018-08-16T14:05:59 <f4ust> oh... maybe i should use addmultisigaddress rather than import address
116 2018-08-16T14:06:06 <f4ust> duh!!
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130 2018-08-16T15:17:56 <roconnor> achow101: in the Manual CoinJoin workflow example in bip174, the GLOBAL_UNSIGNED_TX is being updated in each of the first three steps as users add their own inputs?
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143 2018-08-16T17:31:54 <achow101> roconnor: no, by the time psbt is used there, the inputs and outputs have already been determined through whatever coinjoin protocol
144 2018-08-16T17:32:14 <achow101> roconnor: e.g. you use joinmarket to determine the inputs and outputs to use. then you create the psbt and pass it around to the signers
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