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177 2018-08-26T19:08:30 <kallisteiros> hey, I'm trying to figure out how legacy clients that do not support SegWit evaluate P2WPKH. If I understand correctly, they see a P2SH redeemScript that has this format: "OP_FALSE <some random 32 bytes of data>". My question is, don't they try to evaluate this P2SH redeemScript when the output is being spent? And when they do, how is this script interpreted? OP_FALSE puts 0x00 onto the stack, but then it's
178 2018-08-26T19:08:32 <kallisteiros> followed by random data, which can do unexpected things, right? Where did I get it wrong?
179 2018-08-26T19:09:09 <kallisteiros> I would expect something like <witness script hash> OP_HASH160 instead, not OP_FALSE
180 2018-08-26T19:11:14 <kallisteiros> oh, I think I got the order messed up somehow. Does this "OP_FALSE <32bytes witness script hash>" actually get hashed and then compared by the P2SH scriptPubKey part, which is <hash> OP_HASH160?
181 2018-08-26T19:12:31 <kallisteiros> this script nesting aka russian matryoska doll makes my head spin :)
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184 2018-08-26T19:25:26 <kallisteiros> I think I got it right now: witnessProgram="0x00 <hash_of_pubk>", p2sh="OP_HASH160 <hash_of_witness_program> OP_EQUAL", scriptPubKey(lowest level)="OP_HASH160 <hash_of_p2sh> OP_EQUAL"
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187 2018-08-26T19:27:27 <kallisteiros> then scriptPubKey is evaluated; then iff client supports p2sh (which is redeemScript) is evaluated; then iff client supports segwit witnessProgram is evaluated and the public key recovered from signature is checked against <hash_of_pubk>
188 2018-08-26T19:27:29 <kallisteiros> did I get it right?
189 2018-08-26T19:28:16 <kallisteiros> I guess not, since I didn't figure out where the signature goes. scriptSig? but then it would mess with the stack
190 2018-08-26T19:29:25 <arubi> huh? why would a pubkey be recovered from the signature?
191 2018-08-26T19:29:50 <arubi> the segwit program is "0x00 <20 bytes pubkey hash>"
192 2018-08-26T19:30:05 <arubi> the scriptcode that gets executed is exactly the same as in p2pkh
193 2018-08-26T19:30:21 <arubi> signatures come from a witness stacks
194 2018-08-26T19:31:18 <kallisteiros> RE:"why would a pubkey be recovered from the signature?" to check it against the <20 bytes pubkey hash> you mentioned to make sure the intended recipient is spending the output, no?
195 2018-08-26T19:31:40 <arubi> kallisteiros, are you coming from eth world by any chance?
196 2018-08-26T19:31:55 <arubi> there is no pubkey recovery being done in bitcoin script. this is an ethereum thing
197 2018-08-26T19:32:14 <arubi> signatures are inputs the the scripts being evaluated, along with the pubkeys themselves
198 2018-08-26T19:32:27 <kallisteiros> I travel between both. yeah, I might have caught it there :-)
199 2018-08-26T19:32:28 <arubi> the pubkey is hashed, and checked against the hash that's in the scriptpubkey
200 2018-08-26T19:32:57 <kallisteiros> you still need to verify the signature tho
201 2018-08-26T19:33:02 <arubi> of course..
202 2018-08-26T19:33:23 <arubi> check the pubkey's hash against the given hash, if equal, check signature.
203 2018-08-26T19:33:29 <arubi> (with the given pubkey)
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205 2018-08-26T19:34:14 <kallisteiros> okay, I think I got this part. so how does p2sh redeem script look like in segwit?
206 2018-08-26T19:34:57 <arubi> there isn't p2sh in segwit. there's p2wsh. it's kinda the same, but the inputs are given as a stack of items, not a scriptsig
207 2018-08-26T19:35:28 <arubi> you /can/ nest p2wsh (or p2wpkh) in old style p2sh. the redeemscript for the p2sh part is just the push of the serialized witness program
208 2018-08-26T19:35:43 <kallisteiros> I mean, how is segwit output interpreted by the legacy nodes that do not support segwit?
209 2018-08-26T19:36:02 <arubi> just as the script that it is. two pushes of data
210 2018-08-26T19:36:06 <kallisteiros> right, that's what I wanted to know. is the serialized witness program being hashed and checked against the hash or just pushed to the stack?
211 2018-08-26T19:36:21 <arubi> both..
212 2018-08-26T19:36:33 <arubi> forget segwit for a moment
213 2018-08-26T19:36:52 <arubi> what if you had a p2sh scriptpubkey where the redeemscript was "0x00 <20 bytes push>"
214 2018-08-26T19:36:56 <arubi> how would you spend it?
215 2018-08-26T19:37:14 <arubi> literally provide the redeemscript and nothing else. it evaluates to true
216 2018-08-26T19:37:33 <kallisteiros> but then the redeem script is evaluated by p2sh, right?
217 2018-08-26T19:37:51 <kallisteiros> OP_FALSE + 20 bytes push evaluates to what? OP_TRUE
218 2018-08-26T19:37:52 <arubi> what else is there? segwit doesn't exist yet in my example
219 2018-08-26T19:37:54 <kallisteiros> ?
220 2018-08-26T19:38:02 <arubi> yea, the final value on stack is the 20 bytes push
221 2018-08-26T19:38:06 <kallisteiros> right
222 2018-08-26T19:38:19 <arubi> now invent segwit. say that "0x00 <20 bytes push>" means that these 20 bytes are to interpreted as pubkey hash
223 2018-08-26T19:38:30 <arubi> and for that pubkey hash, run a script like p2pkh
224 2018-08-26T19:38:31 <kallisteiros> by the way, is it being pushed by some OP_ as well? like OP_PUSHDATA or something?
225 2018-08-26T19:38:43 <arubi> sure, why wouldn't it?
226 2018-08-26T19:39:15 <kallisteiros> right, that's where I got confused. it's actually OP_0 OP_PUSHDATA* 20 bytes
227 2018-08-26T19:39:34 <kallisteiros> I thought it's just followed by 20 bytes immediately...
228 2018-08-26T19:39:42 <arubi> it's a script as any other script
229 2018-08-26T19:40:16 <kallisteiros> so where do those 20 bytes finally go in the legacy context?
230 2018-08-26T19:40:29 <arubi> the script ends with them on the top of the stack
231 2018-08-26T19:40:44 <arubi> there's nothing else to do from a legacy point of view. the script evals to true
232 2018-08-26T19:41:14 <kallisteiros> okay, that's what I wanted to confirm too: if the script just ends, it evals to true
233 2018-08-26T19:41:17 <kallisteiros> I think I got it now
234 2018-08-26T19:41:32 <kallisteiros> thank you arubi
235 2018-08-26T19:41:48 <arubi> sure, but can you see how it's exactly the same for p2sh vs. non-p2sh aware nodes?
236 2018-08-26T19:42:27 <arubi> say a very old node, doesn't know about p2sh. what does it see when the script is executed? just a push of data and equality against a given 20 bytes hash
237 2018-08-26T19:42:44 <kallisteiros> yeah I thought so
238 2018-08-26T19:42:50 <kallisteiros> but in p2sh case it's more intuitive
239 2018-08-26T19:42:59 <kallisteiros> there is an actual check against redeem script hash
240 2018-08-26T19:43:05 <arubi> okay, so consider things like op_csv and op_cltv
241 2018-08-26T19:43:10 <kallisteiros> and the script is OP_DUP OP_HASH160 <redeem script hash> OP_EQUAL
242 2018-08-26T19:43:14 <arubi> from a non-aware node, they're just nops
243 2018-08-26T19:43:50 <kallisteiros> it was clear that it evaluates to true. was more confused about OP_FALSE OP_PUSH... format
244 2018-08-26T19:43:59 <kallisteiros> right, soft forks are awesome
245 2018-08-26T19:44:24 <arubi> I see. okay. for next witness version there a "1" there instead of the "0" in the first byte
246 2018-08-26T19:45:05 <arubi> by "0" I mean what you wrote as op_false
247 2018-08-26T19:45:44 <kallisteiros> saw this, yeah. the first opcode is reinterpreted as a version byte
248 2018-08-26T19:45:52 <arubi> indeed
249 2018-08-26T19:46:16 <kallisteiros> but, if the version 0x01 is rolled out, would we need to add some random byte after it?
250 2018-08-26T19:46:26 <arubi> why?
251 2018-08-26T19:46:34 <kallisteiros> since it's an opcode for pushing one byte
252 2018-08-26T19:46:55 <arubi> it'll be 0x51, the opcode that pushes 0x01
253 2018-08-26T19:48:09 <arubi> what I mean, it won't be 0x01 in the script. it'll be OP_1. 0x51
254 2018-08-26T19:48:36 <arubi> and op_2, 0x52 for witness v2, all the way to 0x60
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257 2018-08-26T19:54:55 <kallisteiros> lost my conn. vpn+tor+vpn is a nightmare. are there logs or something?
258 2018-08-26T19:55:59 <kallisteiros> anyway, good talk arubi. writing a proposal paper on how to extend segwit beyond x2 block size increase, so this low level understanding is crucial to get right first
259 2018-08-26T19:59:04 <arubi> alright kallisteiros. good luck with the writeup
260 2018-08-26T20:00:08 <kallisteiros> thanks
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