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184 2018-08-27T15:01:55 <kallisteiros> https://files.zazzylabs.com/5jV4cc/superspace.pdf
185 2018-08-27T15:02:07 <kallisteiros> I'll just leave this here. This is the first paper I wrote on this topic, so if I stupidly missed something obvious (happens to me sometimes), please tell me. If not, I'll post this on bitcointalk, fingers crossed, for a more extensive discussion.
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198 2018-08-27T15:54:12 <kallisteiros> Well, no feedback at all is better than negative, I guess. Posted on bitcointalk as well: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4965806
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213 2018-08-27T17:10:12 <takinbo> if i created a 0-fee transaction, that wouldn't get relayed by my peers (policy) but what if i did a cpfp transaction that covered fees for the 0-fee transaction, would that make the 0-fee transaction eventually get relayed?
214 2018-08-27T17:11:23 <arubi> for the cpfp to be valid, the node must know about the parent first
215 2018-08-27T17:11:40 <arubi> so, if it doesn't (in this case of 0 fee, non relayed), the cpfp will not work
216 2018-08-27T17:12:26 <takinbo> arubi: wouldn't the relaying node ask for the parent transaction?
217 2018-08-27T17:12:27 <arubi> for crossing the threshold of "too low fee" into "just enough fee" there's RBF
218 2018-08-27T17:13:11 <arubi> hm. I guess that'd work if we say I'm only going to request one parent
219 2018-08-27T17:13:41 <arubi> but what if it's the 5th child? sounds wasteful and abusable, but maybe you're right and it asks until "too many"
220 2018-08-27T17:13:58 <arubi> I think for this case anyway, RBF is a much better option
221 2018-08-27T17:14:13 <arubi> even not "policy rbf", just double spend it with more fee
222 2018-08-27T17:17:03 <takinbo> rbf is always the better option but that's assuming that the sender was attempting to check if his peers would relay a 0-fee transaction.
223 2018-08-27T17:17:57 <takinbo> was interested in knowing whether a merchant could allow its customers to directly broadcast a 0-fee transaction making a payment and then use a cpfp (and maybe also rbf) to get the 0-fee transaction relayed.
224 2018-08-27T17:18:39 <takinbo> by broadcast, i mean to send the transaction directly to it since the relaying policy would prevent the transaction from reaching the merchant
225 2018-08-27T17:18:52 <arubi> if you're into this kind of interactive buyer\seller setup, you might like P2EP
226 2018-08-27T17:19:29 <arubi> the seller can both fund the buyer's fee, and the transaction itself can be used as a small privacy bump for the two participants
227 2018-08-27T17:19:37 <arubi> "pay to endpoint"
228 2018-08-27T17:19:49 <arubi> https://medium.com/@nopara73/pay-to-endpoint-56eb05d3cac6
229 2018-08-27T17:20:07 <takinbo> yes that'll be a better solution. thanks.
230 2018-08-27T17:20:15 <arubi> cheers
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