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128 2019-03-05T21:02:18  <sipa> mmgen: if ECC is broken (in the short term), we have a problem period
129 2019-03-05T21:02:37  <sipa> it seems that key generation would be the least of our concerns then
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132 2019-03-05T21:12:03  <mmgen> sipa: but if an entire hd wallet depends on it, that means all your private keys could be compromised
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134 2019-03-05T21:12:40  <sipa> mmgen: and bip32 hardened derivation is as much EC based as "throw dice to generate an EC private key"
135 2019-03-05T21:13:14  <mmgen> sipa: but every individual key has to be hardened
136 2019-03-05T21:13:26  <sipa> yes?
137 2019-03-05T21:13:40  <sipa> that's the default in bitcoin core etc
138 2019-03-05T21:14:01  <mmgen> sipa: which removes any advantage from using ec in the first place
139 2019-03-05T21:14:07  <sipa> ... it's not using EC
140 2019-03-05T21:14:28  <sipa> only public derivation does
141 2019-03-05T21:15:31  <sipa> if your argument is "bip32 is too complex if all you need is hardened derivation", i agree
142 2019-03-05T21:15:36  <mmgen> sipa: ok, but with hardened keys, it's impossible to generate one public key from another
143 2019-03-05T21:15:54  <mmgen> sipa: yes, that's what I was getting at!
144 2019-03-05T21:16:04  <sipa> but it's a pretty weak argument given the advantages in terms of adoption
145 2019-03-05T21:16:21  <mmgen> sipa: bip32 would be great, if not for the potential weakenesses of ecc
146 2019-03-05T21:16:33  <sipa> ... bip32 is generating ecc keys
147 2019-03-05T21:16:33  <mmgen> sipa: ok
148 2019-03-05T21:16:43  <sipa> if you fear weakness in ECC, you shouldn't be using bitcoin
149 2019-03-05T21:18:02  <mmgen> sipa: I'm just trying to minimize risk, that's all
150 2019-03-05T21:18:21  <sipa> i think that's pretty ill-advised
151 2019-03-05T21:18:30  <sipa> regardless of your intentions
152 2019-03-05T21:18:41  <sipa> i'm biased of course
153 2019-03-05T21:18:44  <mmgen> sipa: ok, I understand that.
154 2019-03-05T21:20:13  <mmgen> sipa: you have to realize that my project dates back to 2013, which predated bip32 I think
155 2019-03-05T21:20:36  <sipa> bip32 was written in 2011 :)
156 2019-03-05T21:20:43  <mmgen> sipa: at any rate, I wasn't even aware of bip32 when I started it
157 2019-03-05T21:20:56  <sipa> sorry, 2012
158 2019-03-05T21:21:15  <mmgen> sipa: ok, but I can't recall when it actually began to be widely adopted
159 2019-03-05T21:21:54  <mmgen> sipa: in any case, and perhaps I'm remiss for this, I didn't know about it at the time
160 2019-03-05T21:21:57  <sipa> still, do you see how trying to promote an personal project over a widely adopted and reviewed standard raises eyebrows? especially if you do it with vague justifications like this
161 2019-03-05T21:22:31  <mmgen> sipa: yes, I understand
162 2019-03-05T21:22:38  <sipa> ok
163 2019-03-05T21:24:18  <mmgen> sipa: It's the wallet I use to secure my own portfolio, so I have skin in the game
164 2019-03-05T21:24:33  <mmgen> sipa: That's why I continue to develop it, and mention it to others
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168 2019-03-05T22:19:04  <roasbeef> so what's the current state of the dev ML?
169 2019-03-05T22:19:13  <roasbeef> guessing google groups still isn't an option?
170 2019-03-05T22:19:30  <roasbeef> anywhere ppl are discussing the alternatives or a target date to have things up again?
171 2019-03-05T22:22:28  <sipa> i hear people are working on fixing the list
172 2019-03-05T22:22:36  <sipa> i don't have an ETA
173 2019-03-05T22:23:00  <roasbeef> so linux foundation again or something diff? was the account targetted? (as others hosted on there still seem to be active)
174 2019-03-05T22:25:01  <sipa> yes
175 2019-03-05T22:25:14  <sipa> once the LF list works again there is at least a place to discuss this
176 2019-03-05T22:26:31  <sipa> i have no idea what happened
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181 2019-03-05T23:07:30  <ruby32> I found a place where some debug output isn't being logged to the logfile because some of the CValidationState error message output is being ignored. What's the best way to report this? Submitting a PR to bitcoin on github?
182 2019-03-05T23:07:59  <sipa> file an issue
183 2019-03-05T23:08:23  <ruby32> Okay, thank you
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